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05-12-2013, 07:59 AM (This post was last modified: 05-12-2013 08:14 AM by Dogtown.)
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(05-10-2013 12:51 AM)Fugazi Wrote:  At it's core is the age old battle between the son of perdition and the creator god. Although I'm sure many would disagree.

From a more recent perspective, I'd say that it is the plan to institute the Rosicrucian(specifically Francis Bacon via John Dee) blueprint of a New Atlantis. It's obvious that many of the most influential founders of America were heavily influenced by Bacon's work. And even as recently as George Dubya's speeches that DIRECTLY QUOTED some of Bacon's sayings.

The John Dee connection is obviously important. It was telling that the PTB decided to show James Bond(John Dee) jumping out of a helicopter with the Queen at the last Olympics. Although I'm not exactly sure what that meant.

Ultimately, the kings of this world are being guided by what they perceive to be the light bringer, Lucifer. The New World Order will only be complete when the entire world has been prepared to receive Lucifer(Apollo, Osiris, Nimrod) and his thrown is established on Earth.

This is just a great response in my opinion. I agree and ou bring up some very interesting points.

I for one though think that for a very long time, people have been accepting it without their knowledge.

It's interesting that a lot of the sick fuck "elite" study Fabian Socialism extensively. This system details a how to impose an agenda slowly and gradually, rather than a a quick revolutionary way.

I personally agree with you 100 percent, but I also see a world where many have already accepted this system or concept unwittingly, or in an unaware sense. So I see it as kind of taking sides before you actually realize you have been taking sides for quite some time.

(05-10-2013 02:51 AM)cellar door Wrote:  To me, the term "NWO" has several definitions and can, as Dogtown alluded to in the OP, become somewhat of a blanket term.

- In foreign relations, new world order refers to a change in the balance of power in a particular geographic region among nations (the geographic area under consideration can be regional, continental, or global). I'll use a couple of historical examples to clarify what i mean here.

In 19th century Europe the balance of power or order was managed among England, France, Russia, and Austria. A new world order or new european order emerged when Germany and Italy were united by the middle of the century.

The same idea can be applied to the global distribution of power after WW2. Before the war, basically, the notable powers were England, France, Germany, United States, Russia, and Japan. A new world order appeared after the war, when the USA and Russia emerged as the premier global powers.

-The conspiratorial angle takes this definition of NWO and applies it to globalist efforts to usher in a global government. In other words, this new world order would be that of a world government and would replace the nation state world order model.

It is the conspiratorial angle that I entertain and am not entirely sold on. The religious or spiritual aspects within the discussions surrounding the NWO topic, to me, are more interesting and worthy of study nowadays.

Great points and I agree completely with your last paragraph.

Understanding what these people are into religiously, and what they live for is a huge part of the picture IMO. The supposed concept "NWO" is a play you see acted out in the Book of Revelation as far as I kinda see.

(05-10-2013 04:15 AM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  ^ good post cellar.

there is no single definition of the NWO, however if you look deep enough there are some unifying elements.

one must first ask what was the old world order? it was Catholicism and Traditional Authority like Monarchy.

so the new world order is simply the new "secular order of the ages" written on the one dollar bill.

many groups are vying for control of this and will use basically the same techniques to wrestle away the old to form the new.

that means no more traditional families, less focus on "dogmatic" religion, a new interpretation of what private property means etc.

THe thing is, the order of this "old world" was a complete mess also, and Monarchies still rule just as much in this "new world". And the RCC is still huge. They are all three still powers serving different factions in this "new world". I see them all in bed together with lucifer, not vying for control against each other, as you put it. I actually think that's what they would love for you to believe.

(05-10-2013 12:51 PM)EvilMaster Wrote:  A bunch of rich kids, who grew up in a segregated lifestyle hidden behind fancy gates and surrounded by security to keep the outside world out to protect them. They grew up with a hatred for the people on the other side of the gate. And now they run the world, so they want to rid the planet of the people on the other side of the gate. Because they are batshit crazy little pussy ass motherfuckers who are afraid of their own shadows. But they have the money, so they will win.

I disagree on the whole "rid the planet" scenario that AJ was heavy into like 4 years ago. They already have us completely enslaved, and not fighting back to it. They still need society to operate, which means us doing what they want us to do. You rid the planet of the people they despise and hate, and there will be no one to rule over and nobody to keep society a float. They don't want that, then they'd have to do stuff.
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05-12-2013, 10:25 AM
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I generally refer to them by one of two simple names...Luciferians or The Occult Empire.

Those are probably the only two descriptions that are easily proven and can be agreed upon by most.

It's fun to discuss who's at the top but very few people in any one group will agree.

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05-12-2013, 11:05 AM
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(05-12-2013 10:55 AM)EvilMaster Wrote:  
(05-12-2013 07:59 AM)DogtownKai Wrote:  I disagree on the whole "rid the planet" scenario that AJ was heavy into like 4 years ago. They already have us completely enslaved, and not fighting back to it. They still need society to operate, which means us doing what they want us to do. You rid the planet of the people they despise and hate, and there will be no one to rule over and nobody to keep society a float. They don't want that, then they'd have to do stuff.
This is not an Alex Jones thing. This is a PNAC, Agenda 21, Smart growth, Codex Alimentarius thing. They need us in this current social experiment. They decidedly do NOT need us in the new system that is being setup.

The goal is to maintain humanity under one hundred million people. This goal will be accomplished within 50 years. If we allow them to succeed.

I was just referring to him talking about it way back when. I kind of looked at it as fear mongering, and still do. I personally don't see

these people having any shot at an agenda like that. I think chaos would ensue before they got close enough for it to be a reality. That's the double edged sword with an agenda like that.......you do it too fast and people resist it and fight. You do it too slow, and eventually people slowly get mad enough to want to fight.

Although I will say that the Georgia Guildstones is a pretty interesting monument that needs to be talked about.
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05-12-2013, 11:31 AM
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I would say it's real.

I've been given pointers from a couple mysterious 'sources' over the last 3-4 years about food.

That concerns me. But I cannot verify whether these sources(whistleblowers) are legit or not.

I recommend everybody who is able attend the march against Monsanto.

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05-12-2013, 08:32 PM
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(05-12-2013 11:26 AM)EvilMaster Wrote:  The population reduction is already in effect. The key component of codex alimentarius is Monsanto and it's GMO foods. Another decade or so, and the world will be hit by a global pandemic of cancer.

This is very real.

there are people around me in their 40s, 50s and 60s dropping dead like flies due to cancer and other mysterious ailments.

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05-12-2013, 09:30 PM
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(05-12-2013 08:32 PM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  
(05-12-2013 11:26 AM)EvilMaster Wrote:  The population reduction is already in effect. The key component of codex alimentarius is Monsanto and it's GMO foods. Another decade or so, and the world will be hit by a global pandemic of cancer.

This is very real.

there are people around me in their 40s, 50s and 60s dropping dead like flies due to cancer and other mysterious ailments.

This is only going to get worse. GMO food packaged in BPA = immune system no can defend.

I guess it didn't matter whether we elected Clinton or Trump.
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05-12-2013, 09:36 PM (This post was last modified: 05-12-2013 09:48 PM by Redneck.)
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I tend to use the term NWO in much the same way that I use the Illuminati, a blanket term to collectively describe all of those in power who seek to control humanity in every aspect.

I do believe that there is a huge spiritual element to this, and I see it as a spiritual war, which they are winning.

Their aim is to control everything in the material world, and put an ownership tag and a price what should be free to everyone born into it.

They do have population control agendas in place, and if anyone has any doubt about this, just take a look at the trial runs they did in the 20th century, just the two world wars and the spanish flu wiped out 100 million people in the first half of the 20th century.

Now, i'm going to go left field and offer my latest view on this whole thing, which is just an evolved view of the one i've had for a long time. Try to stay with me.

These people do believe in the biblical account described in Genesis, they also have much older scriptures and other evidence, that gives them reason to believe this. They believe that they are the bloodline of Cain, the son of Lucifer after he impregnated Eve at the tree of knowledge. They gave us our religions, and the word for priest in Hebrew is Kohain (Cain), this became Kohen and eventually Cohen, a very common surname for European Jews, but I digress.

Some people believe that the bloodline was destroyed in the great flood, but this was not the case. Ham's son Caanan was not of his blood, he was of the Cain bloodline. This bloodline became the Canaanites and the land of Canaan covered modern Israel, the Palestinian territories, Lebanon, northwestern Jordan, and some parts of Syria. Eventually the Canaanites became absorbed into other civilisations such as Babylon and Rome, but the bloodline remained and many Kohens became priests, politicians, judges, and money lenders.

This bloodline continued to interbreed and move from place to place changing its name and religion to suit the local cultures. They funded armies and ships and went off conquering independent and sovereign nations, forcing them to adopt their monetary system, and into debt. They've been successfully doing this ever since, for thousands of years. We see the bloodline of Cain now, running the material world, controlling people's thoughts and senses as much as possible, lending money to nations who are in perennial debt, controlling the supply of food and water, and all natural resources. The bloodline of Cain sits at the top of the heap, indulging in every physical pleasure possible.

I think I understand the need to maintain control now, and the need for them to interbreed and to plan into the future long after they will be dead. These people believe that they are Lucifer's offspring and therefore they are fixated on making this world their own. They've now got it so when every soul comes into this world it is born into debt to them in the form of taxes, a free spirit born into a financial commitment that, if he doesn't meet, he will be imprisoned for. He is born into a world where he has to pay for everything he needs to survive, instead of being born free, and enjoying the pleasures and gifts of this amazing planet, he must work to earn money so he can pay taxes, pay for his energy, pay for his food, his water, for the air that he exhales. This is the real aim of the elite, to ensure that they are running the show here, they have no power in the spiritual realm, none at all, so they've shaped the earth to be their haven, their kingdom. While they reside here, they are the gods, every time another one of them is born, he is educated, indoctrinated and raised to have the knowledge and opinions of his forefathers. This is their idea of makeshift reincarnation until they can actually perfect cloning and personality downloads. This planet has become their kingdom and everything they do is about them maintaining control of the material plane.

This was the NWO having a little in-joke in the 2012 election campaign.

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05-12-2013, 10:21 PM
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^ Great post. I'm not sure if they are truly of Cain's bloodline, but I'm willing to believe that they believe they are of Cain's bloodline.


"They've now got it so when every soul comes into this world it is born into debt to them in the form of taxes, a free spirit born into a financial commitment that, if he doesn't meet, he will be imprisoned for."

This is what is all about. A few at the top profiting from everybody elses production.

I guess it didn't matter whether we elected Clinton or Trump.
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05-12-2013, 10:32 PM (This post was last modified: 05-12-2013 10:34 PM by Redneck.)
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(05-12-2013 10:21 PM)GMB13 Wrote:  ^ Great post. I'm not sure if they are truly of Cain's bloodline, but I'm willing to believe that they believe they are of Cain's bloodline.


"They've now got it so when every soul comes into this world it is born into debt to them in the form of taxes, a free spirit born into a financial commitment that, if he doesn't meet, he will be imprisoned for."

This is what is all about. A few at the top profiting from everybody elses production.


Yeah, i'm not saying that I believe it, but everything I dig into tends to point to what I said about the history, maybe they don't even believe they are the bloodline as such, but they've at least adopted it symbolically. It could be that they are atheists, and because they believe that this is as good as it gets, they want to ensure that their family gets the most. That doesn't explain all of the occult stuff they they're into though. I think it has spread now to the point where there are willing people ready to step up and worship Lucifer for a chance at the big time, so a lot of the people we see in the public eye are not fallen angle stock so to speak, but they pledge their allegiance to the cause. Then, if they are good, their kids get to marry into the family, that's the way royalty has worked forever, this is no different.

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05-13-2013, 12:06 AM
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Christians often refer to the first biblical prophecy in Genesis when citing OT prophecies pointing to the birth of Jesus, and the plan of redemption.

Genesis 3:15- "I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.”

What most generally fail to realize is that this prophecy is speaking of TWO literal 'seeds', Eve's and the serpent's. Which begs the question, "who are from the seed of the serpent?".

I've heard the Cain theory before but it seems to be in contradiction to the biblical account, at least, which states clearly that Cain was the offspring of Adam and Eve.

Genesis 4:1- "Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, saying, “I have gotten a man with the help of the LORD.”

It's my opinion that the serpent's seed was a result of the fallen angels breeding with the daughters of men, mentioned in Genesis 6. Which eventually caused ALL flesh to be corrupted, but for Noah who was found "perfect in his generations". However, Noah's son's wives were probably, at least in part, containing some of the corrupted DNA. This is likely how the nephilim(serpent's seed?) survived past the flood.

There are, of course, other valid theories of how the serpent's seed has continued through the ages.
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05-13-2013, 03:04 AM (This post was last modified: 05-13-2013 03:10 AM by Dogtown.)
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(05-12-2013 11:26 AM)EvilMaster Wrote:  The population reduction is already in effect. The key component of codex alimentarius is Monsanto and it's GMO foods. Another decade or so, and the world will be hit by a global pandemic of cancer.

This is very real.

Oh the food is indeed very real. I see it more as keeping a huge amount of the population dumb, slow, and half retarded. Not wanting them all dead though. They seem to do a decent job of population reduction through starvation and war. I see what they do to the food as upkeep.

(05-13-2013 12:06 AM)Fugazi Wrote:  Christians often refer to the first biblical prophecy in Genesis when citing OT prophecies pointing to the birth of Jesus, and the plan of redemption.

Genesis 3:15- "I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.”

What most generally fail to realize is that this prophecy is speaking of TWO literal 'seeds', Eve's and the serpent's. Which begs the question, "who are from the seed of the serpent?".

I've heard the Cain theory before but it seems to be in contradiction to the biblical account, at least, which states clearly that Cain was the offspring of Adam and Eve.

Genesis 4:1- "Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, saying, “I have gotten a man with the help of the LORD.”

It's my opinion that the serpent's seed was a result of the fallen angels breeding with the daughters of men, mentioned in Genesis 6. Which eventually caused ALL flesh to be corrupted, but for Noah who was found "perfect in his generations". However, Noah's son's wives were probably, at least in part, containing some of the corrupted DNA. This is likely how the nephilim(serpent's seed?) survived past the flood.

There are, of course, other valid theories of how the serpent's seed has continued through the ages.

Yeah, I hear you on that. Genesis is so huge in terms of how we got to where we are now. It's really sad that this history is kept from us and we have to decipher mystical jewish texts.

But yeah, the story of the fallen angels and humanity is huge in my opinion. Were these physical beings or are the events referred to in a spiritual sense?
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05-13-2013, 04:02 AM
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good post redneck. there definitely seems to be a narrative working here.

That is why a lot of the "prophecies" in the bible seems accurate.

looking back, Cain's 9 9 9 plan was so off the wall unrealistic you would think it was some time of trolling.

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05-13-2013, 05:20 AM
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Speaking of those fallen angels, I watched a wacky documentary talking about how the Illuminati wants to bring one of these things back to life through cloning or some shit and supposedly this fallen angel will be the antichrist... I don't remember much but they used verses from the Bible and other sources and they really broke the whole thing down...

Is there any proof of their existence other then ancient text?
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05-13-2013, 07:04 AM
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Fugazi, there are different schools of thought about Cain's lineage, and also different interpretations of certain parts of Genesis, but there is a case for Cain being the son of Satan and Abel being the son of Adam. The theory is that Abel was Adam's and that Cain was Lucifer's, but to me this is semantics anyway. Whether or not it is the actual bloodline of Cain, or it is the bloodline of the 'gods who slept with the daughters of men', we are talking about the same bloodline. We can get into biblical geneaology, but at the end of the day, I think the theory is valid either way. The global rulers, do believe that they are the offspring of Lucifer, the god of the material world. The material world is their domain, and they have done their best to ensure that anyone who comes into this realm of existence is indebted to them.

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05-13-2013, 07:10 AM
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i'm still trying to figure out to what extent the "global elite" believes this stuff.

To me it seems they are quite practical, and under them they have a high-serf class of artists/intellectuals etc. that are spreading these NWO ideas to the masses.

i can't really envision a lot of the Rothschilds engaging in "rituals" and stuff. Perhaps some of them, but not all.

It's weird. it's a mystery.

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