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Charismatic movement vs. 1st c. Christianity, Mainstream Christianity, & Reality
11-28-2016, 05:58 AM (This post was last modified: 11-28-2016 06:05 AM by Rako.)
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RE: Charismatic movement vs. 1st c. Christianity, Mainstream Christianity, & Reality
I think charismatics could be closer to 1st c. Christians' mentality than many mainstream Christians would admit. For example, in maybe five to ten passages in the NT it sounds like they tended to have an end times mentality, as in they believed and suggested in the bible that the second coming would happen in 35 ad to 170 ad. But since it didn't happen then, I think typically Christians are going to want to interpret the verses much differently.

One example is 1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
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I suppose that back in the 1st century, John was implying that they were living in the End Times.
There are two different mainstream ways to deal with this kind of verse. One way is to say that yes they did have an end times mentality, but that it is fine because it means they were spiritually prepared.
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12-03-2016, 07:54 AM
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Charismatic preacher Jim Bakker:



“There are three classes of people: those who see. Those who see when they are shown. Those who do not see.”
― Leonardo da Vinci
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01-12-2017, 05:42 AM
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I was reading the Shepherd of Hermas today. This was a major writing in the early Christian community and probably was written in 45 - 160 AD. We are talking about somewhere in the first two generations of Christians.

The writing of the Shepherd of Hermas shows a few ways used by the Christians decided to tell the true preachers with a divine Spirit from the false ones (like false "prophets") with a non-divine spirit. The latter is:

Quote: Hear, then... in regard to the spirit which is earthly, and empty, and powerless, and foolish.

First, the man who seems to have the Spirit exalts himself, and wishes to have the first seat, and is bold, and impudent, and talkative, and lives in the midst of many luxuries and many other delusions, and takes rewards for his prophecy; and if he does not receive rewards, he does not prophesy. Can, then, the Divine Spirit take rewards and prophesy?

It is not possible that the prophet of God should do this, but prophets of this character are possessed by an earthly spirit. Then it never approaches an assembly of righteous men, but shuns them.

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/te...pherd.html

Do you understand the argument they are making?
They are saying that if someone lives in luxury, gets paid for his "prophecying", and doesn't go someplace to do his prophecy work, then how can this man have a divine spirit? Is that the way a spirit from God would operate?

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01-12-2017, 05:48 AM
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Sounds like most all preachers.

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08-25-2018, 06:19 AM
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RE: Charismatic movement vs. 1st c. Christianity, Mainstream Christianity, & Reality
(11-28-2016 05:58 AM)Rako Wrote:  I think charismatics could be closer to 1st c. Christians' mentality than many mainstream Christians would admit. For example, in maybe five to ten passages in the NT it sounds like they tended to have an end times mentality, as in they believed and suggested in the bible that the second coming would happen in 35 ad to 170 ad.

One example is 1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
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I suppose that back in the 1st century, John was implying that they were living in the End Times.
Could it be that in some sense, in the period of about 33 AD up to the middle of the 2nd century AD there was an/the End Time?

The Christian gospel began to be preached abroad to the gentiles in c. 45 AD, bishops were established in cities across the empire, the ancient Jewish temple was destroyed by Rome in c. 70 AD, Judea was conquered and Jerusalem ruined in c. 135 AD, there was an antiChrist figure of Bar Kohba who was defeated in c. 135 AD, many of the Jewish nation were exiled or politically repressed, the phenomenon of prophetic writings and visionary styles became severely curtailed in both Christianity and Judaism, perhaps as a result, in c. 100-160 AD. In the Christian church, the end of widespread visions can be reflected in the rejection of the "Montanist" movement, which was a charismatic-type movement that proclaimed weird ideas like the New Jerusalem being in Phrygia (a part of modern Turkey, IIRC).
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08-25-2018, 06:31 AM
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religion is one of the best moneymaking scams out there

not saying there aren't any legit ones, but it's a viable business for many

people need something to believe in, if you can make them buy your BS, you get rich
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