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05-10-2013, 09:41 AM
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Quote:I'm sorry if I'm flooding or monopolizing this thread...this is a subject that's touchy to me, and one of the actual conspiracies/occult things I know quite a bit about. I'm sick of being a cog in the addiction "treatment industry's" wheel.

keep talking about it. it's good to hear an "insider's" perspective. I feel this issue is quite important. it seems the courts are encouraging people to believe in the occult by sending them to these treatment plans.

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05-10-2013, 09:43 AM (This post was last modified: 05-10-2013 09:43 AM by pug-thug.)
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05-10-2013, 09:51 AM
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http://teenchallengeexposed.com/

Quote:Convicted Sex Offender Heads Teen Challenge in Maine

Registered Sex Offender Shondi Fabiano and her husband, Peter (photo, right), are the directors of the Teen Challenge in
Winthrop, Maine. Shondi Fabiano (mug shot, left) was convicted of Second Degree Child Molestation in Rhode Island.
She is listed on the National Sex Offender Public Registry.

One angry resident told me that "The community does not want Peter and Shondi Fabiano running their evangelistic mission" there.

Maine Teen Challenge Hires Another Convicted Sex Offender
Registered Sex Offender Dennis Knox joined Shondi Fabiano as the second rapist employed by the Teen Challenge in
Winthrop, Maine. Knox, age 38 (photo, right), was convicted of gross sexual assault after raping an unconscious female.
He is listed on the Maine Sex Offender Registry.

A woman who knows Dennis Knox very well described him as "a scumbag."

Teen Challenge of New Mexico: A Hellhole
Lin and Kathy Hall, directors at Teen Challenge of New Mexico, were cited by New Mexico Child Protective
Services and law enforcement for substantiated child neglect in relation to the boys’ facility following an
incident where they had students pumping the septic tank out onto the ground with no protective clothing.
The incident led to the closure of that facility.

Sanford, Fla. Teen Challenge Scam Exposed!
Action 9 reporter Todd Ulrich in Orlando, Fla. uncovered an unlicensed telemarketing operation at the Sanford TC. Men
convicted of financial crimes took customers' credit card information over the phone. They were paid 33 cents a day for a
40-hour work week. They were instructed to lie to potential customers about timeshare vacations from the "Disney Planning
Center Resort." Further investigation revealed that the timeshare company has no relationship to Disney. Sanford Teen
Challenge director Wayne Gray resigned in the wake of the scandal, and then fled when approached by Todd Ulrich for a
follow-up story. Florida's Division of Consumer Services, which regulates telemarketing, is continuing its investigation.

Wayne Gray Exiled to Oklahoma
Former Sanford, Fla. Teen Challenge director Wayne Gray, who resigned in disgrace when Action 9 news exposed
an unlicensed telemarketing scam that paid workers 33 cents a day, turned up 1,300 miles away in Oklahoma. Gray
is now the Executive Director of Oklahoma Teen Challenge. No word yet on whether any of the Oklahoma Teen
Challenge locations is running a telemarketing operation.
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05-10-2013, 09:53 AM
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teen challenge:

Studies of program effectiveness [edit]

In 1973, Archie Johnston compared results of Teen Challenge with that of a transactional analysis approach at a Terminal Island Federal Correctional Institution therapeutic community, and with a third group who received no treatment.

While the numbers of subjects was small (17 in each group), he found evidence to support his recommendation that, while Teen Challenge was an "effective" treatment (with a drug recidivism rate after 29 months of 32%), Transactional Analysis was a "very effective" treatment (with a comparable 16% rate), suggesting that perhaps the lower recidivism rates were a result of TA changing the addiction concept of the self-image more thoroughly and at a slower pace. He hoped that Teen Challenge would incorporate some psychotherapy into their treatment model.[4]

An independent analysis completed by Wilder Research has demonstrated MnTC’s effectiveness using a broad range of measures.[5]

In their study of 154 former residents who graduated between 2007 and 2009:

74 percent of adult program graduates reported no use in the previous six months
58 percent had attended school since graduating
77 percent were either working 30+ hours a week or were a full-time student
80+ percent rated the overall quality of MnTC as “outstanding” or “very good.”
When asked to name what helped most, the faith-based aspects of the program were mentioned most frequently.

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05-10-2013, 02:42 PM
Post: #35
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It's hard to take a study with that kind of sample size seriously. TC has been caught fudging their numbers and cherry-picking their results before. Most of the reliable studies that have been done on Teen Challenge put it on par with AA...that is to say, pretty fucking dismal!

Satan, yes it's true. I probably did tell you that because it's the truth! Benzodiazepines, particularly librium, are indeed the gold standard of alcohol detoxification. They're the best drug out there to treat alcohol withdrawal symptoms, particularly the potentially deadly delirium tremens. Typically the patient is treated with a long-acting benzodiazepine, typically librium but sometimes diazepam, for around 5-7 days depending on duration and severity of symptoms.
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05-10-2013, 03:06 PM
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Is phenobarbital ever prescribed for alcohol withdrawal symptoms (seizures) anymore Daniel? I know it was commonly prescribed for withdrawal symptoms not too long ago.

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05-10-2013, 09:54 PM
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It used to be prescribed for alcohol withdrawal, but it's not written that much anymore. The only time I'll write a barbiturate is if there's an honest-to-God allergy or other contraindication to writing a benzo. Benzos are much safer drugs than barbiturates.
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11-29-2014, 10:15 AM
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classic thread by the dr.
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11-29-2014, 12:03 PM
Post: #39
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Funny thing, I just happen to have the book I bought a long time ago by a former AA member sitting right on my desk.

It's a more positive spin on Alcoholics Anonymous.

It's kind of a bummer I won't get to talk to the Doc about it. He's probably had a lot of first hand experience dealing with AA members.

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12-01-2014, 08:02 AM
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Bumping since someone else wanted to see his 12 Step stuff.
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12-01-2014, 08:03 AM
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Our forum is one of the best on the net for occult discussion.. and with Carver's interest in 12 step I think he was a good match here. 12 step is para-masonic.
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12-02-2014, 07:23 PM
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Good bump thanks
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01-16-2019, 07:31 PM
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01-17-2019, 04:10 AM
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Chanting "This is not a religion. This is not a religion" is a pretty good indication that something is, indeed, a religion.

Logos Media made some good videos on Youtube about AA, in probably the last few months, maybe the last year.
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03-10-2019, 03:10 PM
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