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05-09-2013, 04:32 AM
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Alcoholics Anonymous and the Occult
Having a mother who's been going to AA for 25 years and having studied up on the origins of the organization sometime ago, i can say that i agree with most of whats written above.

Except one thing.

AA does NOT have its origins in Christianity.

The same requirement (must believe in a god, any god) to belong to AA/NA is the exact same as whats required to be a Freemason.

The symbols are also the same.

This organization is freemasonic and occultic in nature. Not christian.

If it was christian, it would be run similar to Teen Challenge.
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05-09-2013, 04:39 AM
Post: #17
RE: Alcoholics Anonymous and the Occult
They work closely with Protestant Christianity I think.

Just like american masonry is hand in hand with Protestantism.

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05-09-2013, 04:51 AM
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RE: Alcoholics Anonymous and the Occult
(05-09-2013 02:55 AM)Fugazi Wrote:  Interesting. I had no knowledge of AA besides the 12 step deal before I went so the religious part didn't occur to me when I was sentenced. But it only took a few visits to realize that's what it was. It kind of reminded me of the days when I was a kid being forced to go to Catholic church. The same prayers being chanted over and over again and a sense that some people there acted spiritually superior to others, etc.

Anyway, I stopped going after a week and just forged the signatures I needed. I would have continued had I felt it was helping me in some way but I actually felt like I was subtly being told to expect relapse after relapse.

Yeah, I had to go to a few as part of my DUI sentencing back in like 2004. It was pretty weird. I kept thinking, "damn, I'd rather be around these people when they were complete drunks"
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05-09-2013, 04:54 AM
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Alcoholics Anonymous and the Occult
The external church, mainstream protestant Christianity, will be told on the Day of Judgement by Jesus, "I never knew you..."

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

There is always a true, internal church called the remnant that is not apart of these organizations in bed with occultists.

The bible says clearly that the mainstream church would be riding the beast and be a part of the New World Religion in the last days. Are we in those days now? I think we're close.

This is the protestant church in which you write about above.

This is not the church I belong to.

Mainstream Christianity is a False Flag Op.
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05-09-2013, 04:58 AM
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RE: Alcoholics Anonymous and the Occult
(05-09-2013 04:54 AM)Lebansky Wrote:  The external church, mainstream protestant Christianity, will be told on the Day of Judgement by Jesus, "I never knew you..."

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

There is always a true, internal church called the remnant that is not apart of these organizations in bed with occultists.

The bible says clearly that the mainstream church would be riding the beast and be a part of the New World Religion in the last days. Are we in those days now? I think we're close.

This is the protestant church in which you write about above.

This is not the church I belong to.

Mainstream Christianity is a False Flag Op.

I agree.
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05-09-2013, 05:06 AM
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RE: Alcoholics Anonymous and the Occult
(05-09-2013 04:54 AM)Lebansky Wrote:  The external church, mainstream protestant Christianity, will be told on the Day of Judgement by Jesus, "I never knew you..."

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

There is always a true, internal church called the remnant that is not apart of these organizations in bed with occultists.

The bible says clearly that the mainstream church would be riding the beast and be a part of the New World Religion in the last days. Are we in those days now? I think we're close.

This is the protestant church in which you write about above.

This is not the church I belong to.

Mainstream Christianity is a False Flag Op.

the key is in the pre-vatican 2 church.

It is somewhat true the Catholic Church today is a "new world order" religion. they have been masonified.

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05-09-2013, 05:22 AM
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05-09-2013, 06:02 AM
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(05-09-2013 04:32 AM)Lebansky Wrote:  Having a mother who's been going to AA for 25 years and having studied up on the origins of the organization sometime ago, i can say that i agree with most of whats written above.

Except one thing.

AA does NOT have its origins in Christianity.

The same requirement (must believe in a god, any god) to belong to AA/NA is the exact same as whats required to be a Freemason.

The symbols are also the same.

This organization is freemasonic and occultic in nature. Not christian.

If it was christian, it would be run similar to Teen Challenge.

Ah yes, Teen Challenge! Get your kid sober by putting him in a forced labor camp and praying!
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05-09-2013, 06:04 AM
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" to thine own self be true"

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05-09-2013, 08:32 AM (This post was last modified: 05-09-2013 08:33 AM by Lebansky.)
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(05-09-2013 06:02 AM)Daniel Carver Wrote:  
(05-09-2013 04:32 AM)Lebansky Wrote:  Having a mother who's been going to AA for 25 years and having studied up on the origins of the organization sometime ago, i can say that i agree with most of whats written above.

Except one thing.

AA does NOT have its origins in Christianity.

The same requirement (must believe in a god, any god) to belong to AA/NA is the exact same as whats required to be a Freemason.

The symbols are also the same.

This organization is freemasonic and occultic in nature. Not christian.

If it was christian, it would be run similar to Teen Challenge.

Ah yes, Teen Challenge! Get your kid sober by putting him in a forced labor camp and praying!

Nothing wrong with praying, doc.

Slavery on the other hand. News to me.

(05-09-2013 06:04 AM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  " to thine own self be true"


"Do as thou wilt"
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05-09-2013, 08:39 AM
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RE: Alcoholics Anonymous and the Occult
Teen Challenge makes people quit their jobs, if they have one, and get a food stamp card as well as other government benefits. The card and/or government benefit money is then turned over to Teen Challenge, and the person is put to work with one of Teen Challenge's partners in the business community, or just plain sends them out into the streets to panhandle. Any money the "patient" earns is turned over to Teen Challenge. This is on top of the fees (TC calls it a "donation") that the family has to pay Teen Challenge. Since most program participants are children, some as young as 12 years old, the participants don't have any say in the matter.

Sounds like slavery to me.
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05-09-2013, 09:07 AM
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If that's true It sounds like the late David Wilkerson is turning in his grave right now.

Unless this has been going on for years as he's been dead for 2.
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05-09-2013, 09:12 AM
Post: #28
RE: Alcoholics Anonymous and the Occult
Yeah, it's been that way for a LONG time. It's not a recent development. There's no actual counseling or treatment at Teen Challenge. It's all working for TC's enrichment for up to 12 hours per day, with at least 3 hours per day of prayer and bible study. That's it. That's the program. I've lost count of how many cases of heat exhaustion and dehydration I see from TC'ers every summer. Some of the kids try to tell me what the deal is, but they're always accompanied by TC employees who try to butt in and shut them up. I report the problems to ACS, and I don't think they EVER follow up on my reports because "faith-based charities" get a TON of leeway under state law.
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05-09-2013, 07:54 PM
Post: #29
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This is a great thread.

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05-10-2013, 09:35 AM
Post: #30
RE: Alcoholics Anonymous and the Occult
(05-09-2013 04:15 AM)Daniel Carver Wrote:  Another boring quote, this time from George Vaillant, a Harvard Professor who also happens to sit on AA's Board.

Quote:To me, alcoholism became a fascinating disease. It seemed perfectly clear that ... by turning to recovering alcoholics [A.A. members] rather than to Ph.D.'s for lessons in breaking self-detrimental and more or less involuntary habits, and by inexorably moving patients from dependence upon the general hospital into the treatment system of A.A., I was working for the most exciting alcohol program in the world.

But then came the rub. Fueled by our enthusiasm, I and the director, William Clark, tried to prove our efficacy. ...

... After initial discharge, only five patients in the Clinic sample never relapsed to alcoholic drinking, and there is compelling evidence that the results of our treatment were no better than the natural history of the disease.

Not only had we failed to alter the natural history of alcoholism, but our death rate of three percent a year was appalling.

--The Natural History of Alcoholism: Causes, Patterns, and Paths to Recovery, George E. Vaillant, Harvard University Press, Cambridge, MA, 1983, pages 283-285.

(05-09-2013 04:09 AM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  what's sad is that a lot of these AA meetings are taking place in churches all over the US.

they are getting trolled.

this stuff is not Christian.

The churches usually don't know or care what goes on in "the rooms" until something happens that exposes them to liability or bad publicity, such as the scandal with The Midtown Group.

Quote:"Since I gave my will over to A.A., whatever A.A. has wanted of me I've tried to do to the best of my ability."
--The Big Book, 3rd Edition, page 340.

I'm sorry if I'm flooding or monopolizing this thread...this is a subject that's touchy to me, and one of the actual conspiracies/occult things I know quite a bit about. I'm sick of being a cog in the addiction "treatment industry's" wheel.

Love your posts so not trying to beef but wasnt it you that told me to take benzos when I was trying to get off the drink once? I think you said they were the "Gold standard" were you fucking with me ?haha
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