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Does Yazidi religion or Yazdanism have Sumerian roots and is it demonic?
09-06-2016, 01:28 PM
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Question Does Yazidi religion or Yazdanism have Sumerian roots and is it demonic?
Quote:Yazdânism, or the Cult of Angels, is a proposed single pre-Islamic, native religion of the Kurds. The term was introduced by Kurdish scholar Mehrdad Izady to represent what he considers the "original" religion of the Kurds[1] as the primary inhabitants of the Zagros Mountains,... According to Izady, Yazdânism is now continued in the denominations of Yazidism, Yarsanism, and Ishikism (Alevism).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazd%C3%A2nism

Yazidis are an ethnic Kurdish group living in Iraq, Iran, and Turky, and practice Yazidism, one of the proposed branches of Yazdanism.

Quote:The Yarsan or Ahl-e Haqq (Kurdish: یارسان‎, Yarsan,[1][2] Persian: اهل حق‎‎ Ahl-e Haqq "People of Truth") is a syncretic religion founded by Sultan Sahak in the late 14th century in western Iran.[3] The total number of members is estimated at around 500,000[4] or 1,000,000,[5] primarily found in western Iran and eastern Iraq, mostly ethnic Goran Kurds,[6][7][8] though there are also smaller groups of Persian, Lori, Azeri and Arab adherents.[9] Some Yarsanis in Iraq are called Kaka'i.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yarsanism

Ishikism is a movement among Alevis. Alevis make up maybe 12-15 million Muslims, primarily in Turkey.
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09-06-2016, 01:52 PM
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RE: Does Yazidi religion or Yazdanism have Sumerian roots and is it demonic?
Since the Kurds are not an indigenous Mesopotamian people I rather doubt that their religion has Sumerian roots. It's ancient Iranian Aryan rooted imo. The Zagros were emtirely Yazdan I believe in the fourth and fifth centuries during the time of the Nestorian tent missions to the north of Assyria.

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09-06-2016, 02:29 PM
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RE: Does Yazidi religion or Yazdanism have Sumerian roots and is it demonic?
This religion was said to have been brought home to England, perhaps during the crusades, where it was practiced in secret societies.

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09-06-2016, 03:05 PM
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RE: Does Yazidi religion or Yazdanism have Sumerian roots and is it demonic?
Wikipedia talks about the Sumerian or Babylonian influence in Yazdanism:
Quote:In Yazdani theologies, an absolute transcendental God (Hâk or Haq) encompasses the whole universe. He binds together the cosmos with his essence, and manifests as the heft sirr (the "Heptad", "Seven Mysteries", "Seven Angels"), who sustain universal life and can incarnate in persons, bâbâ ("Gates" or "Avatar").[8] These seven emanations are comparable to the seven Anunnaki aspects of Anu of ancient Mesopotamian theology, and they include Melek Taus (the "Peacock Angel" or "King") who is the same as the ancient god Dumuzi son of Enki[9] and the main deity in Yazidi theology, and Shaykh Shams al-Din, "the sun of the faith", who is Mithra.[10]

These religions continue the theology of Mesopotamian religions under a Zoroastrian influence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazd%C3%A2nism

Melek (or more basically the consonant pattern M-L-K) is a Semitic word for king. Note the difference between Yazdanism(the family of religions) and Yazidism (the Yazidis' branch).

As for Yazidis, it says:
Quote:The Yazidis are monotheists,[32] believing in God as creator of the world, which he has placed under the care of seven holy beings or angels, the chief of whom is Melek Taus, the Peacock Angel. The Peacock Angel, as world-ruler, causes both good and bad to befall individuals, and this ambivalent character is reflected in myths of his own temporary fall from God's favour, before his remorseful tears extinguished the fires of his hellish prison and he was reconciled with God.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazidis

[Image: File:Yezidischld.JPG]
Quote:A French post card showing Yezidi leaders meeting with a chaldean [Christian] clergyman in Mesopotamia. Yezidis are part of the Gnostic cult of Angels. A mysterious religion that seems to have been influenced by Islam and Zoroasterism. Today they number 200,000 mostly living in Iraq and Syria. They are mostly Kurds.
(Wikipedia)

The Yazidi website Yazidi Truth tries to associate the Peacock Angel with the snake in the Garden of Eden in Sumerian myths and with St. Michael in Christianity:
Quote:The Peacock Angel and the Sumerians

In the religion of Sumeria the Peacock Angel was manifest as Enki, the Lord of the Earth, who was also the Lord of Wisdom and the Serpent on the Tree of Dilman, the Sumerian Eden. The Sumerians may have adopted Enki from Yezidi emissaries from India who played a role in the fledgling Sumerian civilization.

The Peacock Angel in Christianity

Since its inception, the Peacock Angel has been manifest in the Christian religion as the leader of the Seven Archangels, St. Michael, whose earthly reflection is St. George, which is a name for Al-Khadir (which is a Sufi for Tawsi Melek) The color ray associated with both Michael and Tawsi Melek is blue, and like Tawsi Melek’s Hindu manifestation of Karttikeya, the Commander of the Angelic Host, St. Michael serves a similar function in Christianity.

The symbol of the peacock has long been embraced within Christianity. The bird was the original symbol of the Catholic Church (the peacock denoted the many-eyed church) and it was an early symbol of Jesus, denoting the Christ’s resurrection and immortality. Because of these associations to the Christ peacocks were commonly portrayed in medieval paintings hovering around the baby Jesus’s crib. During the time Jesus walked the Earth, and also afterwards, the peacock alternated with the phoenix as the symbol of immortality in both Egypt and the Middle East. It is for this reason that the peacock was associated with the Christian St. Barbara even though she was the patron saint of Heliopolis, the ancient home of the phoenix.

[ILLUSTRATION]
The Pope’s Peacock Standard on display at Charlemagne’s Coronation
http://www.yeziditruth.org/the-peacock-a...-religions
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My own note is that the peacock could mean very different things in Yazidism than in Christian art.

One of their main holy areas is Lalish, which they claim dates to Sumerian times:
Quote:Lalish (Kurdish: Laliş‎, also called Lalişa Nûranî) or Vatican of Yezidism (Sharfadin) is a small mountain valley village situated in the Shekhan District of Dohuk Province in northern Iraq. It is the holiest temple in the Yezidi faith. The temple belongs to ancient times wherein many archaeologists and historians agree upon the fact that the temple was a part of Sumerian and other ancient Mesopotamian civilizations. Later it became the location of the tomb of Sheikh Adi ibn Musafir, who is a central figure of the Yazidi faith.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lalish

I am hesitant to accept the underlined part. Wikipedia is not a textbook.


Yazidi consider Adi ibn Musafir to be an Avatar of the "Peacock Angel".

Photos from the Temple of Lalish:
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Quote:A bird flies out of Lalish temple which features a stone black snake on its wall. Photo by: Erin Trieb


To the right of the archway, a black snake crawled up the wall. This was the portal of Deriye Kapi, translated as the “door of the door.” The vertical serpent was as tall as a man and thick as an arm. It’s not the serpent that tempted Adam and Eve, Mahood said, but a serpent that helped Noah. The Yazidis believe Noah’s ark was lifted and carried by the waters of the deluge to the top of Mount Sinjar where a rock burst a hole in the hull of the ark. The serpent curled up and plugged the leak.

Mahood said it was possible to imagine that the courtyard of the Sanctuary of Sheikh Adi symbolized paradise, in which the peacock and serpent stand next to the mulberry and vine, representing the tree of life.
https://blog.longreads.com/2016/05/10/ho...ach-other/

Quote:In the eyes of Bible followers, however, some doubt always remains, especially when the faithful Yazidi go near the entrance to the most sacred temple of their cult and, bowing obsequiously, rub their hand on the sculpture of a black snake, or even approaching their lips to kiss him full of gratitude. A gesture that could easily join them to their Mesopotamian ancestors, for which the snake was nothing but a metamorphosis adopted by the Sumerian god of wisdom, Enki, in order to manifest itself better and help man to advance on his way to civilisation.
http://www.altrimenti.net/2015/12/sarmou...-irak.html

Here is the U.Penn discussion on Enki, who was a creator of mankind and who helped a Noah-like figure with the Ark.
http://oracc.museum.upenn.edu/amgg/listofdeities/enki/

I don't know how closely the Yezidi story matches that of the Sumerians on Enki, like whether the Sumerians thought of Enki as a snake. typically Sumerians drew him as a person.

Here they claim the painting of eggs is from Sumer:
Quote:One of the key feature of Yezidi New Year celebration is the colouring of eggs, a tradition that can be traced back to ancient Sumerian and Babylonian celebration of spring festival of Ishtar. These coloured eggs are the symbolic representation of Tausi Melek’s rainbow colours that he is believed to have used for blessing the earth with fertility, hence, the rebirth of the spring season.
http://www.yezidihumanrights.org/articles.php

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Yazidi flag

A critical article says:
Quote: The Yezidi land of Kurdistan was once home to the Sumerians and Assyrians. Sumerian gods were often cruel: and equipped with beaks and wings. Birdlike. Three thousand years ago the Assyrians worshipped flying demons, spirits of the desert wind. Such as Pazuzu, the demon from The Exorcist.

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The Sumerian wind-demon: Pazuzu

Taking all this evidence into account, a fair guess is that Yezidism is a remnant of Sumerian bird-worship: a faith that could date back six thousand years. Or more.
http://tomknoxwriter.com/the-genesis-secret/the-yezidi/
But I don't really know how much Sumerians saw their gods as having wings and beaks. The images I am familiar with typically show them like people. The Babylonian light god Marduk was shown with wings and no beak.

A discussion on relationships between Kurds, Yezidis, Zoroastrians and Sumerians is here: http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/1203837/2/

A hard part in showing how much of Yezidism comes from Sumer is that myths about a Great Flood and Garden of Eden were important in Sumer in 3000-2000 BC, but they were at least also made part of Christianity and ancient Judaism of the Old Testament (eg. 1500 BC or older). And so it is hard to say without deeper study how much of these ideas came from Babylon/Sumer and how much came from influences from Christianity and Judaism (if not also from Zoroastrianism or Islam). At the least, it probably would have been filteresd through Babylon. So for example, it would be "Anu" who would have seven emanations is Babylonian, while "An" would be the earlier Sumerian version.

Besides, when it comes to Babylon, it doesn't really say in their myths that "God" had seven emanations/angels. Rather, it sounds like in the process of creation, there were about 7 generations of couples of gods, as the book Magic and Alchemy enumerates:
https://books.google.com/books?id=2rD9r0...an&f=false
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09-06-2016, 03:16 PM
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RE: Does Yazidi religion or Yazdanism have Sumerian roots and is it demonic?
My guess is the influence funnels through Christianity. We have very precise historical data about demographic shifts in northern iraq, for certain it was virtually as Christian as Armenia was until the coming of Tamerlane, with Yazdani Kurds confined to the Zagros. The Hakkari region was converted from Yazdanisn to Nestorian Christianity early on in about the fifth century. Muslim Kurds did not settle in northern Iraq in any numbers until after the Batttle of Chaldiran in 1514 when Sultan Selim 1 granted mercenary Muslim Kurds from Iranian Azerbaijan lands in Iraq.

The pre Christian period of Iranian domination of Iraq (a period of around 600 years) was certainly a period where ancient Iranian, Mesopotamian and Jewish beliefs mingled.

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09-06-2016, 03:17 PM (This post was last modified: 09-06-2016 03:18 PM by Rako.)
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RE: Does Yazidi religion or Yazdanism have Sumerian roots and is it demonic?
(09-06-2016 01:52 PM)Megatherium Wrote:  Since the Kurds are not an indigenous Mesopotamian people I rather doubt that their religion has Sumerian roots. It's ancient Iranian Aryan rooted imo. The Zagros were emtirely Yazdan I believe in the fourth and fifth centuries during the time of the Nestorian tent missions to the north of Assyria.
The Kurds lived in what is now northern Iraq in Sumerian times already though, didn't they?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds_in_Iraq#Pre-1991

I read also that the Sumerians once razed the Kurdish city of Erbil. Assyrians are not Babylonian or Sumerian themselves, and yet Sumerian and Babylonian culture had a major impact on Assyrian culture. Perhaps the same could be true with the Kurds even if they were not Sumerian or Babylonian and even if their culture and religious past was mainly Zoroastrian?

I can see major carry-overs from Sumerian/Babylonian religion, but the elements about the Garden of Eden and the Great Flood are also absorbed into Judaism by 1500 BC and from then to Islam and Christianity. So this raises the question of how far back Yazidism goes by itself, and whether it basically took these ideas from what it found in Christianity and Islam.

The seven emanations of angels issue does seem more Babylonian than what we see in the Bible though. Seven had a special mythical significance for Babylonians and Sumerians.

However, in Apocryphal or apocalyptic Christian or Jewish writings we see a mention of seven angels:
Quote:In the Book of Enoch, cap. XXIII, Raguel is one of the seven angels who watch, and his function is to take vengeance on the world of the luminaries who have transgressed God's laws
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raguel_(angel)

Here is the entry on the Whore of Babylon:
Quote:The "great whore", of the biblical Book of Revelation is featured in chapters 17 and 18.
17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
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09-06-2016, 03:41 PM
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RE: Does Yazidi religion or Yazdanism have Sumerian roots and is it demonic?
"The Kurds lived in what is now northern Iraq in Sumerian times already though, didn't they?"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds_in_Iraq#Pre-1991

No they entered Iraq to settle in the Christian north after the battle of Chaldiran in 1514. I have had quite a lot to say about this here over the years mainly in the long Syria thread. The Israelis currently have a project afoot to create a Kurdish history in northern Iraq where none exists. Fortunately you can't really argue historical land claims with a people that have a detailed 1800 year recorded history of the Parthian, Seleucid Iranian period, the Muslim Arab conquest of Iraq, the coming of the Turks to Anatolia, the coming of Gengis Khan etc, and the coming of the Kurds themselves, all eyewitness accounts written in the same language they worshiped at the Temple of Assur in and that they still write and speak in today. Yeah, good luck with that. The land was stolen from the Christian Assyrians over the past few centuries, city by city, town by town, village by village.

"I read also that the Sumerians once razed the Kurdish city of Erbil."

The 'Kurdish city of Erbil' is actually the Assyrian city of Arbela, meaning City of the Four Gods' in Akkadian. Accpording to the Chronicle of Arbela the early bishops of Erbil were Paqida (104–14), Samson (120–3), Isaac (135–48), Abraham (148–63), Nuh (168–79), Habel (183–90), ʿAbd-mshiha (190–225), Hiran (225–58), Shahlupha (258–73), Ahadabui (273–91), Sriʿa (291–317), Yohannan (317–46), Abraham (346–7), Maran-zkha (347–76), Shubhalishoʿ (376–407), Daniel (407–31), Rima (431–50), ʿAbbushta (450–99), Joseph (499–511) and Hnana (from 511).

The Kurds were warlike tent dwelling nomads who lived in the mountain valleys to the north and east of Iraq and raided the towns and villages of the plains frequently carrying off young Christian women and other goodies. They had no cities, no written literature. They were nomads.

Here is a link to a pdf translated verion of The Chronicle of Arbela written some 15 centuries ago:

http://www.sasanika.org/wp-content/uploa...Arbela.pdf

"Assyrians are not Babylonian or Sumerian themselves, and yet Sumerian and Babylonian culture had a major impact on Assyrian culture."

Well, Assyrians and Babylonians are exactly the same ethnicity, they are Akkadians. Semites. The Sumerians are different, an unrelated people.

The main religions in pre Islamic Seleucid Iraq were Nestorian Christianity, Zoroastrianism, Jacobite Christianity, Judaism and Mandaeism. A recent archaeological study of Mesopotamian household incantation prayer bowls (a pagan Assyro-Babylonian practice that survived into the Christian era just as mummification of the dead did in Coptic Christian Egypt) from the Seleucid period indicates that the main language was vernacular Eastern Aramaic (Assyro-Babylonian), with Syriac, Parthian, Mandaic and Judeo Aramaic also widespread with a strong tendency toward assimilation into the majority Eastern Aramaic group.

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09-06-2016, 06:50 PM
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RE: Does Yazidi religion or Yazdanism have Sumerian roots and is it demonic?
The first thing that struck me when I saw the Pazuzu statue was the position of it's arms. It is clearly in the 'as above, so below' position that would later be adopted in Baphomet symbolism. They kept the wings as well.


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09-06-2016, 06:58 PM
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RE: Does Yazidi religion or Yazdanism have Sumerian roots and is it demonic?
I read up on the Yazidi a few years ago, this was what I posted about them in Hiptosser's Peacock Thread a couple of years ago.

I thought that the connection to Set was interesting.


Quote:The Yezidi are said to be the true descendants of the Sumerians, the Zoroastrians appear to have been a major influence on the religious beliefs of the Yezidi. They don't seem to have a written scripture, everything is passed down via folk tales, chants, prayers and song. They are big into racial and genetic purity and a yezidi cannot marry an outsider. You cannot convert to yezidi religion, you must be born into it.

They worship the Supreme Angel Shaitan, the Hebrew Satan. On the one hand Shaitan is an emblem of bad luck that inspires fear, on the other he is the Lord of Angelic hosts and is known as the Lord of Power.

Shaitan's sin was in refusing to bow down before man, claiming that he would bend his knee only for the one true God as that is what he had originally been commanded. So God punished Shaitan for disobeying the second command, but honored him for obeying the first command by allowing him to be the first one into heaven after Armageddon. The Yezidi believe that they will the next people that God will allow in.

Some researchers, and these guys are very good at their job, believe that Shaitan is Set from Egyptian mythology. Which means that Set does equal Satan.

The peacock symbol is fairly important because it is a reference to the kalas, the spiritual essences secreted by a woman in tantric ritual. The peacock symbol is also thought to be proof that the yezidi once lived in India, because the peacock is not a native to the Kurdish region, but they are abundant in India. Another, more recent occult interpretation, is that the peacock is a phallic symbol because the eyes on the tail represent the "meatus of the phallus", which they say is also represented in the all seeing eye symbolism.

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The Cult Of The Peacock Angel were first mentioned in 1839 in book named 'Nameless Cults', the author died mysteriously soon afterwards.

An adventurer named William Seabrook once claimed that the yezidi "devil worshippers" maintain a network of seven towers across the middle east, and central and east asia.

"Stretching across Asia from North Manchuria, through Tibet, west through Persia and ending in Kurdistan, was a chain of seven towers on isolated moutaintops and in each on of these towers sat continuously a Priest of Satan, who by broadcasting occult vibrations controlled the destinies of the world for evil.'

The towers have since been confirmed as existing.
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09-06-2016, 10:47 PM
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RE: Does Yazidi religion or Yazdanism have Sumerian roots and is it demonic?
Thanks for the info, Mega.

One theory I read was that the yezidis took in Babylonian beliefs from local tribes after the Kurds had already moved to kurdistan.

Also, Sumerian is not a semitic language but Sumerians had a major impact on Babylonian religion.
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09-06-2016, 10:56 PM
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Good info, Redneck.
How much do you think their beliefs came from Babylon independent of info they got from Islam, Judaism or Christianity?
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09-06-2016, 11:07 PM
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RE: Does Yazidi religion or Yazdanism have Sumerian roots and is it demonic?
(09-06-2016 10:56 PM)Rako Wrote:  Good info, Redneck.
How much do you think their beliefs came from Babylon independent of info they got from Islam, Judaism or Christianity?

I think that the core of their belief system stems from Sumerian and Babylonian beliefs. The other stuff has been blended in over time, but in it's essence it is still true to it's origins.

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09-06-2016, 11:58 PM
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(09-06-2016 06:50 PM)Redneck Wrote:  The first thing that struck me when I saw the Pazuzu statue was the position of it's arms. It is clearly in the 'as above, so below' position that would later be adopted in Baphomet symbolism. They kept the wings as well.


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Good catch.
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09-07-2016, 05:53 AM
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RE: Does Yazidi religion or Yazdanism have Sumerian roots and is it demonic?
(09-06-2016 06:50 PM)Redneck Wrote:  The first thing that struck me when I saw the Pazuzu statue was the position of it's arms. It is clearly in the 'as above, so below' position that would later be adopted in Baphomet symbolism. They kept the wings as well.


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Pazuzu is the name of the demon antagonist in the movie the Exorcist. I know that sounded familiar when I read it.

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09-07-2016, 07:02 AM
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RE: Does Yazidi religion or Yazdanism have Sumerian roots and is it demonic?
Quote:Pazuzu is the name of the demon antagonist in the movie the Exorcist. I know that sounded familiar when I read it.


And they used the same statue design.


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