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02-04-2016, 11:45 PM
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^ EXCELLENT!!

Yeah I remember Irving saying he didn't trust just re-researching books already written by others, he took pride in only going directly to sources he could verify

How much of Mein Kampf in your opinion can actually be trusted as an accurate portrait of Hitler's views then?

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02-04-2016, 11:49 PM
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Forgery, mistranslated/misquoted/ fucked with or not... does anybody contend that Hitler hated the Jews and called them as the root source of Germany's woes, and needed to be cleaned out (one way or another)?

Who here has watched 'Hitler: The Greatest Story Never Told'?, and if so what do you think of this particular portrait of the man?

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02-05-2016, 06:57 PM
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RE: Do you believe in the holocaust?
I wrote a very lengthy response to you MT but my PC froze and I lost it, I'm going to give a cliff notes version now.


(02-04-2016 11:45 PM)Masato Toys Wrote:  ^ EXCELLENT!!

Yeah I remember Irving saying he didn't trust just re-researching books already written by others, he took pride in only going directly to sources he could verify

How much of Mein Kampf in your opinion can actually be trusted as an accurate portrait of Hitler's views then?


It is an accurate portrait of the views of the people who were backing Hitler, or at least the views that they wanted to put out into the German collective consciousness. He was backed by occultists such as the Thule Society who were heavily influenced by Theosophy, he was also backed by rich German businessmen, so the book was more from the political and philosophical perspective of the people who were influencing him. Hess was no doubt suggesting content and guiding Hitler along the way, it's not that it doesn't represent his views so much as, like Irving was saying, that other books which he did write by himself, give a more accurate insight into the man. On Irving saying that he hadn't read Mein Kampf, he said that he flipped through it but hadn't read it. For an academic like Irving, that means he did read portions of it, but concluded by the style of the writing that it wasn't worth a proper study.


Quote:Maybe my idea of this term is wrong, I was confused to see Redneck say that Irving was not a revisionist.


I am opposed to the use of the word because it is an NWO buzz word designed to stigmatize people who don't parrot the official narrative or who dare to ask questions. It's the same as 'Holocaust denier', 'Conspiracy Theorist', 'Climate Change Denier' and any other number of terms that they try to attach to anyone who makes waves. By using the term to describe Irving you are buying into the propaganda.


Quote:Forgery, mistranslated/misquoted/ fucked with or not... does anybody contend that Hitler hated the Jews and called them as the root source of Germany's woes, and needed to be cleaned out (one way or another)?



I strongly question the extent of his supposed hatred. It seems to me that the Jews in Europe were doing then what they continued to do after the war, and controlled big finance, the media, precious metals and diamond sales, and a number of other industries. Hitler wanted them gone so that the goyim could have more control in those areas without the Jewish people having a strangle hold on them. Many Jews were sent off by train to other countries, and many were sent to Palestine, that is a well documented fact. The Jews were used as slave labor, for medical experiments, and any number of other evil things but were they killed by the millions in gas chambers? I really do not know but I will say that the evidence to support the claim is vapid at best. The gas chambers at Auschwitz were built after WW2, and requests to exhume bodies and test them for traces of the gas have been vehemently fought and stopped by Jewish groups.

MT, your interest in all of this is something that I had some 20 years ago, and I have done a lot of research into this over the years, simply to give myself a better understanding of what the real story might be. I personally am satisfied with my conclusions, and am yet to have anyone come along and blow them out of the water.

I'm just trying to figure this shit out like you are.
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02-05-2016, 07:11 PM
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RE: Do you believe in the holocaust?
http://www.npr.org/2013/03/26/175288241/...rld-war-ii

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The US was conned by Churchill and FDR to get into WW2.

Churchill was a war-mongering boy in a man's body, playing war with real people's lives like toy soldiers. His foolish decisions in the early part of the war, particularity the Battle of France, almost lost Britain, and he was desperate for the US to pull his fat out of the fire.

He wrote in his memoirs that he rejoiced after the Pearl harbor attack because now the US would be obliged to fight the German-Japan-Italy Axis. The US now would fight Germany to save Britain, but also indirectly help retrieve British colonies like Singapore, Hong Kong, and India. Pearl Harbor was a crisis Churchill was able to profit from to save not only Britain and Europe from their bungled policy dealing with Hitler and Stalin, but get back all their pre-war colonies and continue with business as usual exploiting third world nations.

FDR was an accessory to drag the US into the another European war. He did everything he could to create a event like the sinking of the USS Lusitania in WWI. FDR's naval "Neutrality patrol" put US naval ships in harm's way in U-Boat controlled waters as a deliberate attempt to cause a tinder spark incident to rile Americans to clamor for war. He almost got what he wanted with the USS Reuben James was sunk by a U-boat with almost all hands lost. But it took FDR and George Marshall to set-up Pearl Harbor become vulnerable to a Japanese carrier attack to get his war. Hawaii commanders Admiral Kimmel and Army General Short were held responsible as scapegoats for Pearl harbor, even though they had followed directions to the letter from FDR and Marshall.

Prior to Pearl Harbor, FDR refused to take in Jewish refugees on the ship USS St.Louis fleeing Nazi Germany, resulting in many of them ending up back in concentration camps. He imprisoned 110,00 Japanese Americans as unreliable and potential traitors, turned a blind eye to American black solders treated as second-class citizens in the military, abandoned US troops in the Philippines to the Bataan Death March, sanction bombing the non-military target of Dresden, betrayed Poland and the rest of Eastern Europe to Stalin, and promoted the billion dollar Manhattan project to nuke Nagasaki and Hiroshima, which had no military value.

After WW2 we now had a cold war with Stalin, whom our propaganda press had affectionately called him "Uncle Joe" during the war as one of allies. Never mind it was Stalin's non-aggression pact with Hitler allowed him the means to invade and divide up Poland, as well as giving vital Russian raw materials for Hitlers army to permit him to invade France and the Low countries.

Our OSS helped Vietnamese resistance fighters fight the Japanese, only for them to be denied their Independence when France reasserted its ownership of Vietnam's a colonial possession--and we see how the Vietnamese ongoing fight for independence would eventually drag us into a no-win war years later with 50,000 US dead.


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So what would you have done in Churchill's and FDR's place? Just let the Nazis take over Europe and the Japanese enslave Korea and China?


Quote: Exit Only JP H • 3 years ago

Think about about who enslaved whom.

Sure, the Nazi's, the USSR, and Tojo's Japan were way worse in magnitude and execution. No question about it--But remember Britain was known as the British Empire. It conquered and exploited many nations for the benefit of Royalty and business interests. The US had starting its own little empire in the Pacific with China--which ALL the western nations exploited--as well as the Philippines, where we had fought a dirty war of occupation against rebels in 1898 that would be a harbinger of things to come later in Vietnam.

Japan expansionist policy was only different in application than what every Western power had already done relatively in a "kinder and gentler" way conquering them. The Brits possessed Singapore, Burma, India, and Hong Kong. The Dutch, Java. The French, Indochina, and us, the Philippines and assorted islands. Why wouldn't they desire to imitate the big bad western nations who were playing real world RISK for fun and profit?

So if you want to know how to deal with the tyrants, the first thing is not to play the global game of RISK by acquiring 3rd world nations that sooner or later puts you in competition with others, which results in turf wars. If the US had given back the Philippines back to the Filipinos after we "liberated them" following the Spanish American war, we would have had no investment in the Pacific for the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor for.
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02-06-2016, 03:05 AM (This post was last modified: 02-06-2016 03:06 AM by Masato Toys.)
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RE: Do you believe in the holocaust?
So ironic that in the end, the Zionists built for themselves precisely what Hitler apparently wanted to create for German peoples

What other state on earth than Israel is founded on such exclusively racist principles and pure violence against another race?

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02-06-2016, 06:36 AM
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02-06-2016, 09:26 AM
Post: #52
RE: Do you believe in the holocaust?
Nice tits

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02-06-2016, 02:40 PM
Post: #53
RE: Do you believe in the holocaust?
Recently I was in Berlin, I went a walking tour of the city-a Third Reich History tour.
The tour ended at the "Memorial For The Murdered Jews of Europe" , the tour guide suggested we all walk through monument and reflect on what the Holocaust meant to us personally -or some such horseshit, I tipped our guide and left for a beer at this point.

Curiously I did not see any or here mention of any sort of memorial for the millions of Germans who died at the hands of the Red Army, nothing to remind any one of the great crime committed against the German people when the Soviet horde overran Berlin and raped at least a million German women and girls.
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02-06-2016, 02:50 PM
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Wonder how many babies came from those rapes.

We're they bolshevicks raping Aryan Germans?

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02-07-2016, 08:05 AM
Post: #55
RE: Do you believe in the holocaust?
I watched the following debate this morning. Very interesting. I have a lot of respect for Dr. Shermer but he was definitely in over his head on this one. Mark Webber's opening statement was devastating and Shermer didn't have much in the way of rebuttal. Shermer's opening statement was in disarray, but he made some points that Webber struggled to address. This is definitely a topic that I want to do more research on.



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02-07-2016, 08:06 AM (This post was last modified: 02-07-2016 08:07 AM by Winnson.)
Post: #56
RE: Do you believe in the holocaust?
(02-03-2016 12:37 AM)Masato Toys Wrote:  ^ hmm?

what do you mean?

I always thought it was really sharp. Maybe my idea of this term is wrong, I was confused to see Redneck say that Irving was not a revisionist.

'splain me por favor

All of history is revisionist boss. All of it.

Everything recorded has been spruced up to keep up with the times, always has been always will be. There ain't no truth with the past. It's just how we're told it happened.

Think about your own life. Do you remember things as they actually happened, or how you remember them today?

You ever bullshitted something to make yourself look a little better when telling a story about something that happened in your past, or do you try to be as objective and brutally honest as possible, even if it makes you look like an idiot?

His Story! Weeeeeee!

Timeline shift because you remember it differently?

Sure, because you have to be right, so that must be how it happened.

History in a nutshell, regularly updated for your remembering pleasure.

Timeline shift? Nope, just another update. You live long enough, you'll live through a few of them.

Protip: the winners are always right.

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02-07-2016, 08:15 AM
Post: #57
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You save the stuff that makes you look good. You get rid of the stuff that makes you look bad.

History.

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02-07-2016, 09:09 AM
Post: #58
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History is written by the winners but we now have unprecedented access to historical documents that don't fit the narrative. The trick is that you have to make the effort to find and read them. Schools and the mainstream media simply ignore everything that doesn't fit. Since it's no longer possible to destroy the documents the powers that be simply distract us with the Kardashians or bickering between Democrats and Republicans.
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02-08-2016, 01:16 AM
Post: #59
RE: Do you believe in the holocaust?
Irving is going along with some of the holocaust story because he doesn't want his books consigned to the dustbin of history. I think this is why he claims there were mass killing operations in the Reinhardt camps (Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor) despite the evidence of such being quite miniscule. He's not so informed as to the details of the so-called "Holocaust" as you'd think he would be. He's basically run away from debating the matter with the top revisionists, won't even read (or admit to reading) their analysis of the body of evidence regarding those camps. Irving also "admitted" the "gas vans" were real in the Lipstadt trial, which is ridiculous.

Is there a source of him claiming Mein Kampf is a forgery? That would be rather irregular, as he thinks Hitler's Table Talk is legit, along with the Goebbels diaries and those of Hitler's secretary Christa Schroeder, all of which are somewhat disputed, though I believe they're legit. I've never even heard of anyone disputing who authored Mein Kampf.
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02-08-2016, 01:22 AM
Post: #60
RE: Do you believe in the holocaust?
(02-06-2016 02:50 PM)Billygoat Wrote:  Wonder how many babies came from those rapes.

We're they bolshevicks raping Aryan Germans?

They were mostly Mongols and other non-white Russians raping East Prussian women. East Prussia was where a lot of the best Germans were said to come from, as well. It was definitely a coordinated genetic attack, largely inspired by Ilya Ehrenburg.
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