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02-02-2016, 05:27 AM (This post was last modified: 02-02-2016 06:06 AM by Masato Toys.)
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RE: Do you believe in the holocaust?
That Jim Rizoli guy has interviews with all kinds of interesting people.

I listened to 1 interview with a guy named Ben Bradbury, not bad.

Now I'm listening to this guy who is a chemist who offered to do some chemical analysis on Auchwitz in regards to the Zyclone B story... dude had to FLEE Germany and was running all over the world trying to find political asylum because they persecuted him so bad (or so his story goes).
Did 44 months in prison




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02-02-2016, 05:32 AM
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Dude in the interview plugged this site as a massive archive of holocaust revisionist papers, etc:

http://www.holocausthandbooks.com/

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02-02-2016, 09:33 AM
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Another 'League of Extraordinary Revisionists' interview by Jim Rizoli.

Here is a guy that built gas chambers in the US, and was called for expert testimony in the Ernst Zundel trials.

Dude went to see the CC's, gave his professional opinion on the matter (said the structures could not have served as gas chambers),

- BAM went to fucking jail lol




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02-02-2016, 06:47 PM
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Freedom of speech, just watch what you say.

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02-02-2016, 07:57 PM
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RE: Do you believe in the holocaust?
(02-01-2016 07:56 AM)Masato Toys Wrote:  
(01-31-2016 07:48 AM)Pierrot Lunaire Wrote:  David Irving's book Hitler's War, and all of David Irving's works, are the place to go to first.

I am convinced that Hitler knew nothing about the mass murder of Jews and that it was done by others in the Nazi party without his consent and against his express orders at times.

I would say about two million dead may be an accurate figure. There were many deaths from disease and starvation in the camps as well as mass slaughter done by the Nazis, including the Wermacht and Mainstein specifically.

The so-called death camps, if they existed, have been shown to be outside German.

I am on the fence about David Irving.

Mostly because he openly admits he has never even read Mein Kampf.

He says he suspects its a forgery, not even written by Hitler, but I have found nothing to suggest this. I think this is kind of weird for someone who claims to be an expert WWII revisionist.


He does not claim to be a revisionist, that's the label he's given.


I think the guy's research and findings are legit.

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02-02-2016, 11:46 PM (This post was last modified: 02-02-2016 11:46 PM by Masato Toys.)
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RE: Do you believe in the holocaust?
(02-02-2016 07:57 PM)Redneck Wrote:  
(02-01-2016 07:56 AM)Masato Toys Wrote:  
(01-31-2016 07:48 AM)Pierrot Lunaire Wrote:  David Irving's book Hitler's War, and all of David Irving's works, are the place to go to first.

I am convinced that Hitler knew nothing about the mass murder of Jews and that it was done by others in the Nazi party without his consent and against his express orders at times.

I would say about two million dead may be an accurate figure. There were many deaths from disease and starvation in the camps as well as mass slaughter done by the Nazis, including the Wermacht and Mainstein specifically.

The so-called death camps, if they existed, have been shown to be outside German.

I am on the fence about David Irving.

Mostly because he openly admits he has never even read Mein Kampf.

He says he suspects its a forgery, not even written by Hitler, but I have found nothing to suggest this. I think this is kind of weird for someone who claims to be an expert WWII revisionist.


He does not claim to be a revisionist, that's the label he's given.


I think the guy's research and findings are legit.

^ come on. He openly professes that the gas chambers and 6-million number isn't true. Says Mein Kampf was a forgery, etc.

That is a revisionist, don't know how else you could spin that.

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02-02-2016, 11:57 PM
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Revisionist is a totally subjective term
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02-03-2016, 12:37 AM
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RE: Do you believe in the holocaust?
^ hmm?

what do you mean?

I always thought it was really sharp. Maybe my idea of this term is wrong, I was confused to see Redneck say that Irving was not a revisionist.

'splain me por favor

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02-03-2016, 01:40 AM
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If my current understanding of history is as skewed as we are beginning to understand it to be, the writers of our current version of recorded history would in fact be the revisionist.

Just depends which side of the fence you're sitting on.
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02-03-2016, 01:53 AM (This post was last modified: 02-03-2016 01:53 AM by Masato Toys.)
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^ ah

Yeah I hear/use that term always in comparison to the 'official' version, the story you get in school, mainstream publications/entertainment etc.

This version is not just a timeline of events but a whole mythology of good and evil, its a very particular way of seeing the events. Its amazing how so many people don't realize this, they can't step out of that narrow narrative even to simply look around.

Holocaust mythology has done a number on people I tell ya. Propaganda was crazy strong, regardless of the actual facts

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02-03-2016, 07:37 AM
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(02-03-2016 12:37 AM)Masato Toys Wrote:  ^ hmm?

what do you mean?

I always thought it was really sharp. Maybe my idea of this term is wrong, I was confused to see Redneck say that Irving was not a revisionist.

'splain me por favor

Revisionist means you are spinning the past. If the 6 million number and gas chambers are false, it is simply the truth and not revisionist.

I guess it didn't matter whether we elected Clinton or Trump.
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02-03-2016, 01:17 PM
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RE: Do you believe in the holocaust?
(01-31-2016 07:48 AM)Pierrot Lunaire Wrote:  David Irving's book Hitler's War, and all of David Irving's works, are the place to go to first.

I am convinced that Hitler knew nothing about the mass murder of Jews and that it was done by others in the Nazi party without his consent and against his express orders at times.

I would say about two million dead may be an accurate figure. There were many deaths from disease and starvation in the camps as well as mass slaughter done by the Nazis, including the Wermacht and Mainstein specifically.

The so-called death camps, if they existed, have been shown to be outside German.

Irving along with David Cole and Ernzt Zundel for sure too.

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02-03-2016, 01:29 PM
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Irving is a revisionist but he doesn't deny the holocaust happened. He questions the numbers, which I believe he thinks are more around 2-3 million, and he questions the way they died. Not in gas chambers as part of some systematic extermination plan, but through mass executions and other ways. He also insists that Hitler didn't order any extermination program.
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02-03-2016, 01:34 PM
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RE: Do you believe in the holocaust?
I agree with him. I do believe the holocaust happened just not as we are told. Also the Jews were given an out to Palestine if they chose. Not that it's right to round up a group of people but that was Hitlers solution and not gas chambers. One thing is for sure is there were not gas chambers other than for de lousing of clothes.
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02-04-2016, 06:06 PM
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RE: Do you believe in the holocaust?
(02-02-2016 11:46 PM)Masato Toys Wrote:  
(02-02-2016 07:57 PM)Redneck Wrote:  
(02-01-2016 07:56 AM)Masato Toys Wrote:  
(01-31-2016 07:48 AM)Pierrot Lunaire Wrote:  David Irving's book Hitler's War, and all of David Irving's works, are the place to go to first.

I am convinced that Hitler knew nothing about the mass murder of Jews and that it was done by others in the Nazi party without his consent and against his express orders at times.

I would say about two million dead may be an accurate figure. There were many deaths from disease and starvation in the camps as well as mass slaughter done by the Nazis, including the Wermacht and Mainstein specifically.

The so-called death camps, if they existed, have been shown to be outside German.

I am on the fence about David Irving.

Mostly because he openly admits he has never even read Mein Kampf.

He says he suspects its a forgery, not even written by Hitler, but I have found nothing to suggest this. I think this is kind of weird for someone who claims to be an expert WWII revisionist.


He does not claim to be a revisionist, that's the label he's given.


I think the guy's research and findings are legit.

^ come on. He openly professes that the gas chambers and 6-million number isn't true. Says Mein Kampf was a forgery, etc.

That is a revisionist, don't know how else you could spin that.



That is your definition though, he does not claim to be a revisionist, and one could argue that if his version of history is correct then it is the establishment who are the revisionists.

He was the man who exposed the Hitler diaries as a fraud when a lot of other so called experts said they were real. His research and subsequent book on Churchill is still said to be one of the best, and most accurate ever. The guy is a legit historian and investigative researcher, he doesn't make wild claims, he only says what his extensive research has found.

As for him claiming that Mein Kampf was a fake, and that he has never read it;


Quote:When he was in his mid-teens, he won a school prize. He could choose a book to be presented to him on Speech Day by the Deputy Prime Minister, Rab Butler. Irving asked for Mein Kampf. “I arranged for all the local press to photograph the deputy prime minister giving a copy of Mein Kampf to Brentwood schoolboy David Irving,” he says with glee. “I stood there holding the book up long enough for all the people to get their focus and flash and I sat down. I looked at the book and it wasn't Mein Kampf, it was a German-Russian technical dictionary. They got their own back.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people...66464.html


Quote:I have dipped into Mein Kampf but never read it: it was written only partly by Hitler, and that is the problem. More important are Hitlers Zweites Buch, (1928) which he wrote in his own hand; and Hitler's Table Talk, daily memoranda which first Heinrich Heim (Martin Bormann's adjutant, whom I interviewed) and then Henry Picker wrote down at his table side, and the similar table talks recorded by Werner Koeppen (which I was the first to exploit, in Hitler's War). Totally worthless as a source is the book Conversations with Hitler by a former Danzig Senator, Hermann Rauschning; he as an anti-Nazi, and met Hitler only once, as internal NS inquiries established, at a formal cocktail party. It was wartime propaganda, published by the same firm who published Fritz Thyssen's bogus memoirs I Paid Hitler.

http://nikarevleshy.blogspot.com.au/2012...table.html


So, Irving actually says that Mein Kampf was not written entirely by Hitler, which of course is 100% correct.


Quote: The book was edited by Hitler's deputy Rudolf Hess


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf

Although it is thought of as having been 'written' by Hitler, Mein Kampf is not a book in the usual sense. Hitler never actually sat down and pecked at a typewriter or wrote longhand, but instead dictated it to Rudolf Hess while pacing around his prison cell in 1923-24 and later at an inn at Berchtesgaden.


http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/ri.../kampf.htm



Irving is correct in what he says about Mein Kampf, and he has never stated that it was a forgery.


Have you ever listened to him give a lecture? The man is very impressive, and he has no reason to lie. He could have just STFU and been known as the great Churchill historian if he had wanted to but as an academic, I think he was compelled to tell the world about his findings.

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