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01-31-2016, 09:10 AM
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RE: Do you believe in the holocaust?
(01-31-2016 03:53 AM)Viking Wrote:  Is there any evidence of jews beeing gassed in Germany?

Goebbels diary would count as "evidence" if not outright proof. Unless there's evidence for it being forged of course.
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01-31-2016, 09:23 AM
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RE: Do you believe in the holocaust?
(01-31-2016 09:10 AM)CTsar Wrote:  
(01-31-2016 03:53 AM)Viking Wrote:  Is there any evidence of jews beeing gassed in Germany?

Goebbels diary would count as "evidence" if not outright proof. Unless there's evidence for it being forged of course.

What does it exactly say about gassing jews? Any detailed information?
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01-31-2016, 09:56 AM
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(01-31-2016 12:34 AM)Viking Wrote:  Do you believe in the holocaust or is it a hoax?



Define "holocaust". Jews were certainly identified and rounded up and put into camps or exported to Palestine, many were made to work in labor camps, and many died in custody due to disease, starvation and natural causes. The dead bodies were usually cremated, so there certainly were crematorium ovens at the camps, but these were to dispose of the dead, not to kill them.



Quote:Is there any evidence of jews beeing gassed in Germany?



There has never been any physical evidence presented which supports this claim.

I'm just trying to figure this shit out like you are.
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01-31-2016, 11:47 AM
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RE: Do you believe in the holocaust?
(01-31-2016 09:23 AM)Viking Wrote:  
(01-31-2016 09:10 AM)CTsar Wrote:  
(01-31-2016 03:53 AM)Viking Wrote:  Is there any evidence of jews beeing gassed in Germany?

Goebbels diary would count as "evidence" if not outright proof. Unless there's evidence for it being forged of course.

What does it exactly say about gassing jews? Any detailed information?

nope, just this:

February 14, 1942: The Führer once again expressed his determination to clean up the Jews in Europe pitilessly. There must be no squeamish sentimentalism about it. The Jews have deserved the catastrophe that has now overtaken them. Their destruction will go hand in hand with the destruction of our enemies. We must hasten this process with cold ruthlessness.

March 27, 1942: The procedure is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely. Not much will remain of the Jews. On the whole it can be said that about 60 per cent of them will have to be liquidated whereas only 40 per cent can be used for forced labor.
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01-31-2016, 03:00 PM
Post: #20
RE: Do you believe in the holocaust?
Gobbles had a 2 handicap which he then had to exterminate.

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02-01-2016, 07:52 AM (This post was last modified: 02-01-2016 08:19 AM by Masato Toys.)
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RE: Do you believe in the holocaust?
(01-31-2016 02:49 PM)Megatherium Wrote:  I think it needs more study.

that's illegal in most countries, no?

I have looked into this and still haven't found much more than a few conflicting testimonies to prove gas chambers. (other testimonies tell nothing of the sort, said they had music, did plays etc - ??) - Nothing proves the sheer numbers claimed to have been gassed this way.

Moreover, I have heard several interesting presentations arguing that such enormous numbers of people/bodies etc in such ridiculously small camps simply cannot be physically possible. Even if the Nazis were so ruthless, they argue it is an absurd and expensive laborious way to exterminate.

Add this to the other Nuremburg lies mentioned here like lampshades etc and its really not a stretch to wonder if the gas stories were also propaganda to a degree.

Modern CC sites are admitted re-creations.

Also I like the posts here pointing out here the #s exterminated by Stalin and Mao... or even how many Germans were slaughtered in Dresdin and other cities near the end of the war (and during).

Redneck has it right; no doubt many jews died, CCs were real etc but the MYTHOLOGY of the holocaust is what needs to be questioned.

Also that post by Winnson with the different newspaper references was fascinating

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02-01-2016, 07:56 AM
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(01-31-2016 07:48 AM)Pierrot Lunaire Wrote:  David Irving's book Hitler's War, and all of David Irving's works, are the place to go to first.

I am convinced that Hitler knew nothing about the mass murder of Jews and that it was done by others in the Nazi party without his consent and against his express orders at times.

I would say about two million dead may be an accurate figure. There were many deaths from disease and starvation in the camps as well as mass slaughter done by the Nazis, including the Wermacht and Mainstein specifically.

The so-called death camps, if they existed, have been shown to be outside German.

I am on the fence about David Irving.

Mostly because he openly admits he has never even read Mein Kampf.

He says he suspects its a forgery, not even written by Hitler, but I have found nothing to suggest this. I think this is kind of weird for someone who claims to be an expert WWII revisionist.

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02-01-2016, 10:35 AM (This post was last modified: 02-03-2016 02:44 PM by PUBLICnoose.)
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RE: Do you believe in the holocaust?
I think Its made up
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02-01-2016, 11:36 AM
Post: #24
RE: Do you believe in the holocaust?
(02-01-2016 07:56 AM)Masato Toys Wrote:  I am on the fence about David Irving.

Mostly because he openly admits he has never even read Mein Kampf.

He says he suspects its a forgery, not even written by Hitler, but I have found nothing to suggest this. I think this is kind of weird for someone who claims to be an expert WWII revisionist.

In a way he's correct. It's my understanding that Hitler dictated the book to someone while in jail. So Hitler technically didn't write it. But I really doubt it was a forgery. Irving apparently did great research early on and then went full retard later. He had to edit out parts of his early books because they showed Hitler in a bad light.
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02-01-2016, 12:35 PM
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(02-01-2016 11:36 AM)Count Iblis Wrote:  
(02-01-2016 07:56 AM)Masato Toys Wrote:  I am on the fence about David Irving.

Mostly because he openly admits he has never even read Mein Kampf.

He says he suspects its a forgery, not even written by Hitler, but I have found nothing to suggest this. I think this is kind of weird for someone who claims to be an expert WWII revisionist.

In a way he's correct. It's my understanding that Hitler dictated the book to someone while in jail. So Hitler technically didn't write it. But I really doubt it was a forgery. Irving apparently did great research early on and then went full retard later. He had to edit out parts of his early books because they showed Hitler in a bad light.

To Rudoff Hess.
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02-01-2016, 12:39 PM (This post was last modified: 02-01-2016 12:51 PM by Masato Toys.)
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I'm just saying it seems irresponsible to build a career on Nazi revisionism, and not ever had read Mein Kampf

I appreciate his skepticism, and still reserve some for myself as well (if TPTB can make a lie like 911 in 2001, think of the power they had to tell a whopper pre-television)... but at least read the fuckin thing with that skeptical mind and see for yourself what's what

Makes me think he's just stubborn in his views and doesn't have the guts to look into something that might fuck up his version of the story

It is interesting to ponder if/how Mein Kampf MIGHT have been a fraud as part of a demonizing campaign. I have still not found any hard proof that Hitler actually took credit for it etc (though i haven't looked far). Also the issue of translations is curious, it would have been easy to omit, mis-translate or insert some key lines in afterwards. Who published the first english versions? etc. This would be an interesting thread in itself imo

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02-01-2016, 03:16 PM
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RE: Do you believe in the holocaust?
http://www.rense.com/general71/jesu.htm
http://sqapo.com/hitler.htm
http://www.illuminati-news.com/051406a.htm
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02-02-2016, 12:09 AM (This post was last modified: 02-02-2016 12:09 AM by Masato Toys.)
Post: #28
RE: Do you believe in the holocaust?
Haven't listened to this yet:

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/201...160129.php

Red Ice sometimes goes off the deep end imo, but like Bill Cooper says...

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02-02-2016, 01:11 AM
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^ chit-chat ends/his info begins @ 28:00

lets see what he's got

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02-02-2016, 04:19 AM
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Bill Cooper swam in the deep end quite a bit himself.
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