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RE: Chinese Culture. Movies. Music. Food. Here. - EVILYOSHIDA - 10-09-2013 09:40 AM

it's very likely that zhenghe was the first to the US.. but "us historians" dismiss his claims.

China had the best navy in the world at the time.


RE: Chinese Culture. Movies. Music. Food. Here. - DonJohnson - 10-09-2013 09:41 AM

(10-02-2013 04:36 AM)Winnson Wrote:  Andy Lau might be gay, but that doesn't make him any less cool. Check this out.

At a concert in Chengdu, a fan brought him flowers, then started getting stomped by security because he broke the barrier.

Lau Dut Wah jumped right into the fray and broke that shit up with a quickness. Hero.





I admire that my wife wants to bang such cool peeps Tongue

WOW

HE OUTTED HIS LIP SYNCING TO SAVE THAT FAN


ALl those guys are goowakjai tho


RE: Chinese Culture. Movies. Music. Food. Here. - EVILYOSHIDA - 10-09-2013 09:47 AM

not exactly full lip syncing.. i think they generally have a light vocal track in the background to guide the singing.


Re: Chinese Culture. Movies. Music. Food. Here. - Hellfire Awaits - 10-09-2013 11:22 AM

Gavin Menzies is full of shit.



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RE: Chinese Culture. Movies. Music. Food. Here. - EVILYOSHIDA - 10-09-2013 01:42 PM

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Re: RE: Chinese Culture. Movies. Music. Food. Here. - Winnson - 10-09-2013 02:38 PM

(10-09-2013 09:41 AM)DonJohnson Wrote:  
(10-02-2013 04:36 AM)Winnson Wrote:  Andy Lau might be gay, but that doesn't make him any less cool. Check this out.

At a concert in Chengdu, a fan brought him flowers, then started getting stomped by security because he broke the barrier.

Lau Dut Wah jumped right into the fray and broke that shit up with a quickness. Hero.





I admire that my wife wants to bang such cool peeps :P

WOW

HE OUTTED HIS LIP SYNCING TO SAVE THAT FAN


ALl those guys are goowakjai tho

Nga Ho Goo Wah!


RE: Chinese Culture. Movies. Music. Food. Here. - EVILYOSHIDA - 10-09-2013 03:24 PM

Quote:Mr Menzies has no formal training as a historian and no advanced degree from a major university - he was a submariner in the British Royal Navy - but he can no longer be called an ‘amateur.’

this doesn't matter these days.

doesn't take a genius to do this.

If the map is legit, his thesis checks out.


RE: Chinese Culture. Movies. Music. Food. Here. - EVILYOSHIDA - 10-09-2013 03:32 PM

Quote:He has plowed millions of dollars of his proceeds from his books into continuing his world-traveling research into his theories. He has turned his north London home into a de facto research institute, employing up to six research assistants at a time.
But his theories are not accepted by the mainstream academic community. In 2008, University of London history professor Felipe Fernandez-Armesto told the Daily Telegraph that his books are 'the historical equivalent of stories about Elvis Presley in (the supermarket) and close encounters with alien hamsters.'
Even Wikipedia characterizes Menzies as a 'pseudo-historian.'

LOL. they do nothing to show how he's wrong.

Just saying he's a pseudo-historian isn't disproving his map.

not saying menzies is right.. but these are AD HOMINEM ATTACKS.. and APPEAL TO AUTHORITY FALLACIES.


RE: Chinese Culture. Movies. Music. Food. Here. - Hellfire Awaits - 10-09-2013 04:45 PM

Menzies is full of bull crap.

Don't even look at ancient Chinese maps, suspicious "translations" of Ming Dynasty documents, blah blah. Just use your common sense here.

From Indonesia to Columbia, the Pacific Ocean spans nearly ONE HALF the circumference of the ENTIRE WORLD. That is one giant ass ocean. In order for Zheng He to have made it as far as the Americas, he would have had to traverse that ENTIRE distance and then return home to China to tell the tale. With 15th century Chinese technology. How implausible is that?

Still don't believe me? Okay. Flash forward to Magellan's transoceanic voyage of 1519-1522. By then, European maritime technology had advanced beyond anything that the Ming Dynasty had during the era of Zheng He's voyages. Magellan started out with five ships, with enough provisions for roughly two years of travel for himself and his crew of roughly 240 men. Among that number, only twenty two crewmen and one rickety ship made it back to Europe to tell the tale. And this was with the advanced level of Portuguese maritime technology at the time.

The very hardest part of the voyage was the passage through the Pacific ocean, which (literally) seemed to stretch on forever with no end in sight. By the midpoint of the passage, Magellan's crew had dwindled down to less than one hundred fifty. (Note that even when they started, they had to go around the tip of South America and through the perilous Tierra del Fuego.) They were eating leather, sawdust, rats, and drinking their own urine to survive. There were constant near-mutinies and the threat of mutinies by Magellan's crew, who were dying faster than mongrel dogs at a Korean slaughterhouse. Much of what they discovered en route to the Spice Islands was totally uncharted territory, so they had very few opportunities to make pit stops along the way for food and potable water. They had to deal with hostile primitives and savage native peoples, some of whom ended up killing Magellan while he was moored in the Philippines.

Zheng He on the other hand benefited from 1) ports and trading posts everywhere from Sumatra to the horn of east Africa, 2) friendly peoples who were more than willing to trade with the Ming Empire, and 3) CHARTED TERRITORY, much of which had been discovered by explorers prior. Even he never made it as far as the Cape of Good Hope.

Now just what are the odds that he could have made it all the way to the eastern end of the Pacific (a distance that is half the circumference of the globe) and BACK with his crew of primitive junk ships? This isn't like Columbus accidentally stumbling across the Americas, because the distance from Europe to the Atlantic is much shorter. Maybe Zheng He could have crossed the Pacific if he had planned the voyage in advance with 3 yrs' worth of provisions (fat chance, because nobody knew the span of the Pacific Ocean at the time), but either way, unlike the Europeans in 1519, NOBODY KNEW THERE WAS A LAND MASS AT THE EASTERN END. D'oh. You can't even go there if you don't know what's on the opposite end. Menzies's theory is more full of gaping holes than a Flipina whorehouse.

It is pure retardation.

Also, this shouldn't really matter, but he is not a historian.

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Also, I never saw very many half-Chinese bastard children wandering around Ensenada, Mexico.


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RE: Chinese Culture. Movies. Music. Food. Here. - Hellfire Awaits - 10-09-2013 04:53 PM

(10-09-2013 03:32 PM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  
Quote:He has plowed millions of dollars of his proceeds from his books into continuing his world-traveling research into his theories. He has turned his north London home into a de facto research institute, employing up to six research assistants at a time.
But his theories are not accepted by the mainstream academic community. In 2008, University of London history professor Felipe Fernandez-Armesto told the Daily Telegraph that his books are 'the historical equivalent of stories about Elvis Presley in (the supermarket) and close encounters with alien hamsters.'
Even Wikipedia characterizes Menzies as a 'pseudo-historian.'

LOL. they do nothing to show how he's wrong.

Just saying he's a pseudo-historian isn't disproving his map.

not saying menzies is right.. but these are AD HOMINEM ATTACKS.. and APPEAL TO AUTHORITY FALLACIES.


correct.

either disprove his shit or stfu.

which i believe i did.


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RE: Chinese Culture. Movies. Music. Food. Here. - Hellfire Awaits - 10-09-2013 04:56 PM

(10-09-2013 01:42 PM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  [Image: article-2449265-189801FF00000578-147_634x449.jpg]

that map is an "18th century" copy of a 15th century document. Oops, except they have no proof the original even existed.

The best Menzies has is the Korea Kangnido map which supposedly shows "America" as a blob a couple hundred kilometers to the east of the Philippines. Really?

When Hendrick Hamel crash-landed in Korea during the 17th century none of the literati or yangban would even believe him when he told stories about foreign countries and a giant continent to the east of Asia. They thought every single country on the planet was already a client kingdom of China. Really. I somehow doubt they knew of America's existence.

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RE: Chinese Culture. Movies. Music. Food. Here. - EVILYOSHIDA - 10-09-2013 06:56 PM

(10-09-2013 04:45 PM)Hellfire Awaits Wrote:  Menzies is full of bull crap.

Don't even look at ancient Chinese maps, suspicious "translations" of Ming Dynasty documents, blah blah. Just use your common sense here.

From Indonesia to Columbia, the Pacific Ocean spans nearly ONE HALF the circumference of the ENTIRE WORLD. That is one giant ass ocean. In order for Zheng He to have made it as far as the Americas, he would have had to traverse that ENTIRE distance and then return home to China to tell the tale. With 15th century Chinese technology. How implausible is that?

Still don't believe me? Okay. Flash forward to Magellan's transoceanic voyage of 1519-1522. By then, European maritime technology had advanced beyond anything that the Ming Dynasty had during the era of Zheng He's voyages. Magellan started out with five ships, with enough provisions for roughly two years of travel for himself and his crew of roughly 240 men. Among that number, only twenty two crewmen and one rickety ship made it back to Europe to tell the tale. And this was with the advanced level of Portuguese maritime technology at the time.

The very hardest part of the voyage was the passage through the Pacific ocean, which (literally) seemed to stretch on forever with no end in sight. By the midpoint of the passage, Magellan's crew had dwindled down to less than one hundred fifty. (Note that even when they started, they had to go around the tip of South America and through the perilous Tierra del Fuego.) They were eating leather, sawdust, rats, and drinking their own urine to survive. There were constant near-mutinies and the threat of mutinies by Magellan's crew, who were dying faster than mongrel dogs at a Korean slaughterhouse. Much of what they discovered en route to the Spice Islands was totally uncharted territory, so they had very few opportunities to make pit stops along the way for food and potable water. They had to deal with hostile primitives and savage native peoples, some of whom ended up killing Magellan while he was moored in the Philippines.

Zheng He on the other hand benefited from 1) ports and trading posts everywhere from Sumatra to the horn of east Africa, 2) friendly peoples who were more than willing to trade with the Ming Empire, and 3) CHARTED TERRITORY, much of which had been discovered by explorers prior. Even he never made it as far as the Cape of Good Hope.

Now just what are the odds that he could have made it all the way to the eastern end of the Pacific (a distance that is half the circumference of the globe) and BACK with his crew of primitive junk ships? This isn't like Columbus accidentally stumbling across the Americas, because the distance from Europe to the Atlantic is much shorter. Maybe Zheng He could have crossed the Pacific if he had planned the voyage in advance with 3 yrs' worth of provisions (fat chance, because nobody knew the span of the Pacific Ocean at the time), but either way, unlike the Europeans in 1519, NOBODY KNEW THERE WAS A LAND MASS AT THE EASTERN END. D'oh. You can't even go there if you don't know what's on the opposite end. Menzies's theory is more full of gaping holes than a Flipina whorehouse.

It is pure retardation.

Also, this shouldn't really matter, but he is not a historian.

...


Also, I never saw very many half-Chinese bastard children wandering around Ensenada, Mexico.


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good post.

voted up


RE: Chinese Culture. Movies. Music. Food. Here. - Roland Bates - 10-10-2013 06:11 AM

From the Menzies article linked above:

"Most scientists believe man first widely populated the Western Hemisphere 13,000 to 16,500 years ago.

The almost universally-held theory among academics is that man came to the New World by crossing the Bering Strait land-bridge between Asia and North America.

'The more I thought about the Bering Strait theory of populating the Americas, the more ridiculous it became,' Mr Menzies writes about his investigation of the topic.

Mr Menzies says the idea that man was able to cross the Pacific Ocean around 40,000 BC isn't nearly as dramatic as it seems.

'If you just go out in a plastic bath tub, the currents will just carry you there,' he told MailOnline. 'They just came with the current, it’s as simple as that.'"


I think Menzies got carried away, to say the least. The evidence for the Bering Strait theory is overwhelming. Menzies could have just said that he thought some Chinese (or other Asian) sailors might have made it to America, but I don't see any evidence that they returned or set up colonies. If they returned, they almost certainly would have brought back American species of plants, etc.


RE: Chinese Culture. Movies. Music. Food. Here. - EVILYOSHIDA - 10-10-2013 06:14 AM

The thing the Chinese sailors etc. basically went out around and said HI and left.

I don't think they would have been as inquisitive/intrusive as the later european sailors.

it is true that Zheng He had the most advanced fleet at the time.


RE: Chinese Culture. Movies. Music. Food. Here. - Winnson - 10-10-2013 07:26 AM

Genghis Khan and his family were fucking ridiculous.

Almost as cool as Andy Lau, imho.