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2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
Cataclysm?
oh the irony
So what about bisexuality?
So the church says gaylords can live a spiritually fulfilling life by repressing their sexuality and being celibate.
Of course self mastery is powerful but that is just fucking stupid.
The same church that opposes free public access to condoms in AIDS Africa.

You would think with all of the homosexual ass fucking weirdos who take holy orders the church would be more permissive in with their demands for the sexual practices of lay public.
(06-17-2015 10:11 AM)Hiptosser Wrote: [ -> ]So the church says gaylords can live a spiritually fulfilling life by repressing their sexuality and being celibate.
Of course self mastery is powerful but that is just fucking stupid.
The same church that opposes free public access to condoms in AIDS Africa.

You would think with all of the homosexual ass fucking weirdos who take holy orders the church would be more permissive in with their demands for the sexual practices of lay public.

The church from day one was against birth control devices, pulling out then spilling seed & self masturbatory sperm wastage but... the reason was not on high.

Dr Mengele couldn't have conceived a more proficient, nor prodigious way for the reich to propagate itself in exponential ways spreading it's inumerous new soldiers and power throughout the world. Deviously ingenious isn't it?


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It's important to note that the catechism of the church is for the people, the inner church is a homosexual community that practices pedophiliac sex rites.
^ there is absolutely no proof of that.

the Catholic Church is the reason much of the world frowns upon underage sex.

in pagan and non-christian times marrying a 12 year old was the norm in many parts of the world
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(10-29-2015 10:31 PM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote: [ -> ]^ there is absolutely no proof of that.

the Catholic Church is the reason much of the world frowns upon underage sex.

in pagan and non-christian times marrying a 12 year old was the norm in many parts of the world



I'm pretty sure I shared this with your before...




(05-30-2015 08:15 AM)Dagwood Wrote: [ -> ]St Peter Damian's 1100AD Letter To The Pope RE: Pedophilia/Sodomy Amongst Clergy
http://www.evilyoshida.com/thread-9616.h...t=catholic

You know what they say about absolute power. Throughout human history men and organizations that have achieved this fall prey to being corrupted. It is inevitable. Without anyone watching the kids play when the mouse is away. History has also proven that organizations do everything possible to cover things up so as not to risk public outcry and threats to their lofty position.

With today's awareness... what is the obvious extrapolation in the case of historical police crimes against civilians when there were no smart phone cameras, no video surveillance cameras, no television, no computers, no internet, no investigative press & no legitimate public over site of policing???

In everyday life on the street until now, police have had absolute power over the public. Without any 'on the street' oversight they have forever had the ability to be judge, jury and executioner with no one but the civilians they are interacting, or who are watching, ever witnessing what they do. Anything those two groups would complain about could be very easily suppressed.

So, what was going on for nearly two millenia when the church and religion-infused law was the absolute power over the people locally, regionally and at the vatican with no independent outside oversight??? Like, in the days when there were no smart phone cameras, no video surveillance cameras, no television, no investigative press & no one that would question the church or the priest.

You younger ones here may not understand this but I think my generation was the last to witness how ingrained into me, and all others prior, to never question anything about the church, the bible, the priest, the bishop, the pope, et al. I mean that was just never done as a Catholic. No two ways about it. If there ever was anything remotely controversial (wedlock pregnancy/divorce/sex/etc), it was never mentioned publicly. These things were absolutely verboten.

On a side note... the word "sex" was never allowed to be said on TV well into the seventies. I'm not sure most of you here can appreciate how far things have moved away from century's old traditional Christian values for public decency just in the past 40 years. You however... have witnessed the result.

Back to the subject... IMO opinion it is somewhat naive to think behavior was not the same, or worse (much more likely), amongst the clergy and the institution of the church for centuries with its unchecked absolute power.


Quote:St. Peter Damian (1007–1072), an eleventh-century monk and man of letters, left a large and significant body of correspondence. Over 180 letters have been preserved, principally from Damian’s own monastery of Fonte Avellana. Ranging in length from short memoranda to longer monographs, the letters provide a contemporary account of many of the controversies of the eleventh century: purgatory, the Eucharist, clerical marriage and celibacy, immorality, and others. Peter Damian, or “Peter the Sinner” as he often referred to himself, was one of the most learned men of his day, and his letters are filled with both erudition and zeal for reform.

Quote:St Peter Damian (11TH Century)

St Peter, a hermit and scholar, denounced clerical sex abuse and was an influential reforming bishop and cardinal.

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St Peter Damian (1007-72) was a hermit and scholar. He denounced clerical sex abuse. He was an influential reforming bishop and cardinal. Pope Leo XII declared him a doctor of the Church in 1828. Patrick Duffy tells his story.

Early life
Peter was born at Ravenna into a large but poor family. He lost both his parents in childhood and while supposedly in the care of his brother was being treated as a slave. Another brother Damian was archpriest at Ravenna. He rescued Peter, gave him a good education in grammar, rhetoric and law at Faenza and Parma and Peter became a professor at Ravenna. In gratitude Peter took Damian as his second name.

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An ascetic
Peter was already leading an ascetic life, fasting, wearing a hair shirt and using the discipline when he joined the Camaldolese Benedictine followers of St Romuald at Fonte Avellana. On the abbot’s death in 1043, Peter became the head of his community and founded five other hermitages. He was kind to his monks and compassionate towards the genuinely repentant, but he also urged reform both of wandering monks and the clergy.

No-nonsense reformer on behalf of the Popes
Because of his disciplined, blunt, and no-nonsense character, the popes of this period kept choosing him to carry out diplomatic missions: Pope St Leo IX (1049-54) chose him to preach against simony, clerical concubinage and sodomy. Pope Stephen IX (1057-58) made him cardinal-bishop of Ostia, near Rome, and apostolic administrator of the diocese of Gubbio. Nicholas II (1059-61) sent him to Milan to stamp out the buying and selling of clerical benefices there and in 1069 Alexander II (1061-73) sent him to Mainz in Germany to dissuade the young King Henry IV from divorcing his wife Bertha.

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His writings
Around 1050, during the pontificate of Pope Leo IX, Peter published a treatise on the vices of the clergy entitled The Book of Gomorrah. He denounced as sinful all homosexual practices.

Not unlike writings on clerical abuse today, it got a mixed response. Another work, written around 1053, entitled Liber Gratissimus, upholding the validity of the orders of simoniacal clerics, though it also got a mixed reception at the time, had a powerful influence in resolving the question. He also was a notable poet; one of his poems praises St Gregory the Great as Anglorum iam apostolus.

Last mission and death
Peter’s final mission was to Ravenna where he was again successful. On his way back to Rome, he died of fever at Faenza. Never officially canonised, he was made a doctor of the Church by Pope Leo XII in 1828.

http://www.catholicireland.net/saintofth...er-damian/

Quote:The Fathers of the Church: Mediaeval Continuation (15 vols.)
Authors:
Thomas Aquinas
Lanfranc of Canterbury
Grosseteste, Robert
Abelard, Peter
Alfonsi, Petrus
Peter the Venerable
Damian, Peter
Albert the Great
Scotus, John
DunsSeuse, Heinrich
Guitmund of Aversa


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The Letters of Peter Damian: 31–60

Author: Peter Damian
Translator: Owen J. Blum
Series: Fathers of the Church: Mediaeval Continuation
Publisher: Catholic University of America
Publication Date: 1990
Pages: 422

Letters 31 and 40 are long treatises, each published separately in critical editions. Letter 31, also known as the Book of Gomorrah, deplores the degradation of the priesthood through the vice of sodomy and appeals to Pope Leo IX to educate and purge the clergy. Letter 40, perhaps his most celebrated work, is also called the Liber Gratissimus.

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The Catholic University of America (CUA) is a private university located in Washington, D.C. in the United States. It is a pontifical university of the Catholic Church in the United States and the only institution of higher education founded by the U.S. Catholic bishops.[4] Established in 1887 as a graduate and research center following approval by Pope Leo XIII on Easter Sunday,[5] the university began offering undergraduate education in 1904. The university's campus lies within the Brookland neighborhood, known as "Little Rome", which contains 60 Catholic institutions, including Trinity Washington University and the Dominican House of Studies.

It has been ranked as one of the nation's best colleges by the Princeton Review,[6] one of the best values of any private school in the country by Kiplinger's,[7] "one of the most eco-friendly universities in the country,"[8] was awarded the "highest federal recognition an institution can receive" for community service,[9] and has been recommended by the Cardinal Newman Society in The Newman Guide to Choosing a Catholic College.[6] It was described as one of the 25 most underrated colleges in the United States.[10]

CUA's programs emphasize the liberal arts, professional education, and personal development. The school stays closely connected with the Catholic Church and Catholic organizations. The American Cardinals Dinner is put on by the residential U.S. cardinals each year to raise scholarship funds for CUA. The university has a long history of working with the Knights of Columbus; the university's law school and basilica have dedications to the involvement and support of the Knights.

The university has been visited twice by reigning popes. Pope John Paul II visited on October 7, 1979.[11] On April 16, 2008, Pope Benedict XVI gave an address at the campus about Catholic education and academic freedom.[12][13]

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yes the fact that they engaged in sodomy/homosexuality doesn't mean it's approved by the church.

We all know some portion of the priesthood engages in homosexuality/pedophilia... there is nothing in canon law that says it's ok to engage in either homosexuality or pedophilia.

like I said, the reason why these acts are frowned upon is because of Christianity. now in a post christian world the mainstream is reverting back to acceptance of homosexuality. Pedophilia is also now increasingly portrayed as a mental illness these days too.

The Catholic Church was infiltrated in the 30s. Research Operation Outstretched hand.
(10-29-2015 11:03 PM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote: [ -> ]yes the fact that they engaged in sodomy/homosexuality doesn't mean it's approved by the church.

We all know some portion of the priesthood engages in homosexuality/pedophilia... there is nothing in canon law that says it's ok to engage in either homosexuality or pedophilia.

like I said, the reason why these acts are frowned upon is because of Christianity. now in a post christian world the mainstream is reverting back to acceptance of homosexuality. Pedophilia is also now increasingly portrayed as a mental illness these days too.

The Catholic Church was infiltrated in the 30s. Research Operation Outstretched hand.

The historical evidence shows that homosexual deviance with young boys was accepted as part of the internal culture of the church for eons. The practice was every bit as acknowledged as any Catholic ritual or sacrament right up through the church's hierarchy. A thousand years of awareness to the top organization of a wide spread practice... means the practice itself is a part of the institution. No way getting around that. Even if it was only 50 years it's the same thing.

Your sticking your head in the sand on this one EY. I did too.
So the public school system promotes child/teen sexual abuse? their rate is 100x higher than the Catholic Church.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm saying it's not promoted. It is frowned upon.

It is highly disingenuous to say that the Church promotes sexual abuse or sex with minors. Like I said they are the reason why the world frowns upon it.

Also I find very little evidence of RCC's sexual abuse claims prior to 1950
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