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This thread is all about actual occurrences of propaganda, which has led to some pretty massive changes really starting in the early 1900's. Plans and especially techniques were developed long before this, but technology has made it possible to pump propaganda into people during most of their waking hours. Propaganda is just as effective as any religion in provoking powerful beliefs and actions. Anybody that has examples, it'd be cool if you posted them here. I'll post some when I get back.
COOL. will post
Memorandum to Bernard Berelson (President, Population Council) found in "Activities Relevant to the Study of Population Policy for the U.S." 3/11/69 by Frederick S. Jaffe (Vice president of Planned Parenthood - World Population).

TABLE 1. Examples of Proposed Measures to Reduce U.S. Fertility, by Universality or Selectivity of Impact

Universal Impact
Social Constraints
Selective Impact

Depending on Socio-Economic Status
Economic Deterrents
Measures Predicated on Existing Motivation to Prevent Unwanted Pregnancies

Social Controls

Restructure family:

a) Postpone or avoid marriage
b) Alter image of ideal family size

Compulsory education of children
Encourage increased homosexuality
Educate for family limitation
Fertility control agents in water supply
Encourage women to work


Modify tax policies:

a) Substantial marriage tax
b) Child Tax
c) Tax married more than single
d) Remove parents tax exemption
d) Additional taxes on parents with more than I or 2 children in school

Reduce/eliminate paid maternity leave or benefits
Reduce/eliminate children's or family allowances
Bonuses for delayed marriage and greater child-spacing
Pensions for women of 45 with less than N children
Eliminate Welfare payments after first 2 children

Compulsory abortion of out-of-wedlock pregnancies

Compulsory sterilization of all who have two children except for a few who would be allowed three

Source: "A Family Planning Perspectives Special Supplement" published by Planned Parenthood-World Population, NYC, NY, 1970.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/heal...milk_x.htm

Above scientific study report as legit news.

Very few articles question the findings.

Study funded by the Canadian Dairy Association.
Both the "pain as the 5th vital sign" thing and the concept of pseudoaddiction were largely propaganda that were accepted as scientific fact in the medical community. The actual science/research behind both concepts were...lacking. But patient advocacy groups loved the touchy-feely ideas and helped get them accepted as fact, even though the evidence was shaky. The concept of pseudoaddiction was accepted based on the case of ONE patient!
^ great info doc
One of the main pushers of the "pain as the 5th VS" and "opioid addiction rarely happens among chronic pain patients" ideas has now backtracked on his ideas, thousands of corpses later: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...44604.html

Portenoy even disclosed that he received a TON of money from Purdue Pharmaceuticals, but people were so eager to believe what he said that they completely disregarded the HUGE conflict of interest that was present the whole time.
(04-07-2013 05:22 PM)Daniel Carver Wrote: [ -> ]One of the main pushers of the "pain as the 5th VS" and "opioid addiction rarely happens among chronic pain patients" ideas has now backtracked on his ideas, thousands of corpses later: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...44604.html

Portenoy even disclosed that he received a TON of money from Purdue Pharmaceuticals, but people were so eager to believe what he said that they completely disregarded the HUGE conflict of interest that was present the whole time.

Wow. This is one part of the various agendas that is seriously effecting even small towns in Vermont.

This piece of shit says "we didn't know then what we know now." He really expects us to believe that he didn't know opiates and opioids were extremely addictive?

This mother fucker right here is still claiming the problem is being blown out of proportion. He doesn't even have any remorse. I'm not sure if he is lying to us or himself, probably a little of both right?

This is all Bernays style propaganda. Bribe a few doctors to all promote an idea, and the public just buys it because their personal doctors will follow suit with the supposed industry professionals.
Knowing this info doesn't mean you can't enjoy the TV.. or smoke your cigs etc.

it just means to make a decisions for yourself. if you know this and you still like the debauchery in the media. that is your own decision.
Exactly. Most people think their vises are simply harmless fun. For most, this is ASBOLUTELY not the case.
I'm starting to think a lot of people are aware of this stuff.. they just choose not to believe it consciously.
Subliminal messaging is where it's at. The over the top in your face stuff is amateur hour.

Tap into their psyche. THAT'S how you do it!

True story - I had never experienced American propaganda on TV until I was almost 13 years old. We moved to a new place where we could get cable and american channels.

Saturday morning cartoons were awesome, but the flag waving fanatacism USA USA USA! Through everything was something I'd never experienced before. It freaked me the hell out and even scared me that they were so crazy.

I asked my mum about it and she said that it was just US propaganda and I would get used to it. It's probably one the reasons I don't just accept everything at face value.

Some of the stuff being screamed at me was downright bonkers. This was one of the first 'Weekend Rocks' I ever saw:




I knew what Manifest Destiny was at the time.

There was another one that showed a Colonial American shaking hands with an Indian and the Indian handing over a contract. That was a different channel though, CBS or NBC.
(04-08-2013 08:44 AM)GMB13 Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-07-2013 05:22 PM)Daniel Carver Wrote: [ -> ]One of the main pushers of the "pain as the 5th VS" and "opioid addiction rarely happens among chronic pain patients" ideas has now backtracked on his ideas, thousands of corpses later: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...44604.html

Portenoy even disclosed that he received a TON of money from Purdue Pharmaceuticals, but people were so eager to believe what he said that they completely disregarded the HUGE conflict of interest that was present the whole time.

Wow. This is one part of the various agendas that is seriously effecting even small towns in Vermont.

This piece of shit says "we didn't know then what we know now." He really expects us to believe that he didn't know opiates and opioids were extremely addictive?

This mother fucker right here is still claiming the problem is being blown out of proportion. He doesn't even have any remorse. I'm not sure if he is lying to us or himself, probably a little of both right?

This is all Bernays style propaganda. Bribe a few doctors to all promote an idea, and the public just buys it because their personal doctors will follow suit with the supposed industry professionals.

I think, to a degree, it is blown out of proportion, at least when it comes to opioids. Yes, a problem exists, but not the epidemic that politicians and the media like to portray. The methodology when classifying an Od is severely flawed. I don't buy into Portenoy's extremely low numbers, but I don't buy into the high numbers that senators like Chuck Schumer and the media claim, either.
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