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My favourite part is when he rips 'Gnome' Chomsky to shreds, lol
Thanks, will watch!

Tarpley is a great researcher. His 9/11 Synthetic Terrorism was, along with Michael Ruppert's Crossing The Rubicon, THE best of the early books about 9/11 truth.

His main problem is assuming that a large, centralized government can function fairly and equitably once all the snakes are eradicated from it. Very utopian.
^ well it's possible, look at China. for all their faults they have lifted nearly the entire country out of crushing poverty.

to me you need some authority to protect freedoms.

if you just give people freedom.. cartels would form and you're back to square 1
He also calls out Snowden and Wikileaks as fake/controlled opposition that essentially did nothing, nor reported anything new.

very interesting...
(12-19-2013 11:32 PM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote: [ -> ]^ well it's possible, look at China. for all their faults they have lifted nearly the entire country out of crushing poverty.

to me you need some authority to protect freedoms.

if you just give people freedom.. cartels would form and you're back to square 1

Well I've never been to China, but off the top of my head I remember something about forced abortions or prostitution, labour camps for altering political and religious beliefs, and a number of other human rights violations.

While I have no love lost for the US government, I'm not sure I'd be pointing at China as a success story when it comes to "fair and equitable" centralized gov...
(12-20-2013 11:29 AM)Fugazi Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-19-2013 11:32 PM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote: [ -> ]^ well it's possible, look at China. for all their faults they have lifted nearly the entire country out of crushing poverty.

to me you need some authority to protect freedoms.

if you just give people freedom.. cartels would form and you're back to square 1

Well I've never been to China, but off the top of my head I remember something about forced abortions or prostitution, labour camps for altering political and religious beliefs, and a number of other human rights violations.

While I have no love lost for the US government, I'm not sure I'd be pointing at China as a success story when it comes to "fair and equitable" centralized gov...

the forced abortion stuff was at least 15 years ago. doesn't happen today. just pay a fine.

you really have to come here to see how much freer it is on a daily basis.

people cuss out the cops with no repercussions.
and at teh end of the day.. even though some rights are still limited .. they have been lifted out of poverty 1.3 billion people in just 20-30 years. that is remarkable.
(12-20-2013 12:12 AM)Masato Toys Wrote: [ -> ]He also calls out Snowden and Wikileaks as fake/controlled opposition that essentially did nothing, nor reported anything new.

very interesting...

that is bullshit.

Snowden has been a wakeup call and has legitimized conspiracy reality for normal folks. JUST THAT is already a large contribution.

even if wikileaks and snowden are controlled opposition.. it's still better than nothing.

the boundaries of controlled opposition can always be expanded if people stay vigilant.
tarpley is very smart but too divisive.

alex jones hates him now.

alex jones is more of a unifier.

no one is going to be EXACTLY like you in thoughts or solutions.. but for now most people are still asleep so you should be more flexible.

tarpley also promotes socialism.

but his analysis is among the most sophisticated.
(12-20-2013 11:34 AM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote: [ -> ]and at teh end of the day.. even though some rights are still limited .. they have been lifted out of poverty 1.3 billion people in just 20-30 years. that is remarkable.

That's interesting. Are you saying that poverty no longer exists in China?

I have to politely call BS on that. Is it possible that with China's controlled media, just like in US, that you aren't hearing about the abuses of power that go on there?

Just by doing a quick search, I'm finding stories about Chinese women having the amongst the highest % of abortions and suicide rates, etc.
(12-20-2013 10:27 PM)Fugazi Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-20-2013 11:34 AM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote: [ -> ]and at teh end of the day.. even though some rights are still limited .. they have been lifted out of poverty 1.3 billion people in just 20-30 years. that is remarkable.

That's interesting. Are you saying that poverty no longer exists in China?

I have to politely call BS on that. Is it possible that with China's controlled media, just like in US, that you aren't hearing about the abuses of power that go on there?

Just by doing a quick search, I'm finding stories about Chinese women having the amongst the highest % of abortions and suicide rates, etc.

there still is a lot of poverty, but it's getting better every year.

mainly the ones who are still going hungry are people who choose not to move to the cities and stay in remote mountain villages.

i have never heard of anybody who got a forced abortion.

that could be abuse on the local level if it happens today. the official policy is fining you money.

and also the 1 child policy is highly relaxed now.. it's basically gone now.

at this point also.. stats cannot really be trusted. they can be made up. some are real, some are fake. very hard to tell.

i've travelled all over china and i saw the transformation first hand. it's amazing.
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