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(08-09-2018 03:10 AM)MrOctober77 Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.metabunk.org/moon-stuff-ster...tos.t2987/

http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=79.0

Metabunk... Oh geez.

"The point being it was impossible at the time to know that the scene would look like this without actually going there."

Have they heard of Surveyor? Do they realize no one is saying that the Surveyor (unmanned) Program was fake? No one is saying you can't land a camera/rover/probe on the Moon?

[Image: bf154524cf830430fda319b999d4b4f2.jpg]

Does this actually strike any one as a real photo, not a composite of a real foreground, and a real background, that have been merged into one picture (albeit with a lot of skill and care)?
Yep, definitely easier to do a lunar orbit rendezvous with a non-gimballed, unthrottleable engine using a limited amount of hypergolic fuel, followed by a return to Earth, finishing with a skipped re-entry! Than to create a realistic photo...

[Image: recreating-historical-photographs-miniature-13.jpg]

Iconic photographs recreated

Skipped re-entry is just the biggest farce I have ever heard of, when it comes to space travel. I am sure some NASA fanboy will come along to say that I miss understand the concept, but the idea that you can make a Command Module enter the atmosphere and then REGAIN altitude with just LIFT (no engines) is ridiculous. Re-entry capsules are designed for MAXIMUM DRAG, not lift.
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I think it is a good example of NASA not explaining to people what is actually happening, just something for laymen to THINK they understand.

They try to not use the phrase "skipped reentry" any more, I wonder why that would be???

They now go for something ambiguous like this: "The Apollo Command Module used a skip-like concept to lower the heating loads on the vehicle by extending the re-entry time, but the spacecraft did not leave the atmosphere again and there has been considerable debate whether this makes it a true skip profile. NASA referred to it simply as "lifting entry". A true multi-skip profile was considered as part of the Apollo Skip Guidance concept, but this was not used on any manned flights."
great info Chaos

also it must be stated that the KAGUYA landscapes are SIMULATED landscapes constructed with 3D. would not be surprised if they manipulated the landscape to "curve fit" with Apollo

even then it looks quite different:

[Image: Kaguya%20Apollo%2015.jpg]
(08-09-2018 06:59 AM)Chaos Reigns Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-09-2018 03:10 AM)MrOctober77 Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.metabunk.org/moon-stuff-ster...tos.t2987/

http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=79.0

Metabunk... Oh geez.

"The point being it was impossible at the time to know that the scene would look like this without actually going there."

Have they heard of Surveyor? Do they realize no one is saying that the Surveyor (unmanned) Program was fake? No one is saying you can't land a camera/rover/probe on the Moon?

[Image: bf154524cf830430fda319b999d4b4f2.jpg]

Does this actually strike any one as a real photo, not a composite of a real foreground, and a real background, that have been merged into one picture (albeit with a lot of skill and care)?

yeah but one issue is , how could surveyor take ultra high res photos of the lunar surface at that time.

the rocks, etc. would not move so everything would have to match up exactly in the event people could return.

I highly doubt surveyor could take high res enough pictures to do a convincing emulation. perhaps that is why there are no fly zones around the apollo landing sites.
let me get this straight, so if you believe man walked with dinosaurs, and that the holy bible is literal.. the entire establishment just respects your right to believe.

yet if you question the assertion that man has landed on another planet 50 years ago when were still using slide rules, you are completely bonkers and insane?

it's hilarious.
This is a catastrophe for the legitimacy of the Apollo Program:

[Image: analysis.php?id=567ed35212db84eaba32cc30...mp;fmt=ela]

This is from the site Foto Forensics, which allows you to upload an image that you suspect of manipulation, photoshopping etc. This is called an ELA, Error Level Analysis.

"Error Level Analysis (ELA) permits identifying areas within an image that are at different compression levels. With JPEG images, the entire picture should be at roughly the same level. If a section of the image is at a significantly different error level, then it likely indicates a digital modification."

From wiki: " A difference in the level of compression artifacts in different parts of the data may therefore indicate that the data has been edited"

It is just a technique, but in this case, it provided pretty much exactly what I accused the photo of, a detailed foreground and a convincing (but less detailed) background, merged into one.
yeah there are ELA's with the earth clearly pasted in.

back then they didn't expect computers to be that sophisticated going forward

IN ADDITION, they didn't expect the advent of DVDs, YOUTUBE where people could review the videos at will
I haven't verified this myself, but this is pretty damn obvious

can someone try this with this photo?

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This is one of the biggest Grand Slams on this thread full of solo home runs.

[Image: apollo15hadleycrop.jpg]

Oh geez... NASA better come out and disown this pic ASAP.

Surely any one can see this is a foreground, and then a giant screen onto which Hadley Rille has been projected. Brutal, savage,wrecked.





I invite anyone to run this pic through FotoForensics (I will post it later, if requested).
[Image: analysis.php?id=d74dfb089beb1d3573030287...mp;fmt=ela]
(08-09-2018 11:31 AM)pug-thug Wrote: [ -> ]I haven't verified this myself, but this is pretty damn obvious

can someone try this with this photo?

[Image: squareearthrevealed.jpg]

i tried it, doesn't look the same

http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id...28&fmt=ela
this one is pretty funky

[Image: analysis.php?id=0669a27ef04abc3ab8654c86...mp;fmt=ela]
just posting this stuff for reference:

[Image: analysis.php?id=8061e8e02969054bf5db8a5c...i=23470404]
so how are we supposed to be analyzing this ELA stuff?

i'm not seeing the same square boxes as in the jack white infographics
(08-10-2018 02:20 PM)pug-thug Wrote: [ -> ]so how are we supposed to be analyzing this ELA stuff?

i'm not seeing the same square boxes as in the jack white infographics

I don't think Jack White was doing ELA, which is a specific algorithm. I think he was adjusting 'levels' in Photoshop. Contrast, brightness, that kind of thing. I think he documented what he did with the images.

Basically, with ELA, a surface of the same color should look the same after ELA. But with the Apollo images, you see a clear foreground/background difference, not even a transition between the two, which indicates the background has lower resolution. Less detail, less information. Which you would expect, far from the camera, but not abruptly like with the Hadley Rille 'photo' (composite) that I shared.
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