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For anyone who has never read Wagging the Moondoggie by Dave McGowan, do yourself a favor and do so: http://centerforaninformedamerica.com/moondoggie/

Demolishes it IMO, just like everything else Dave McGowan wrote. RIP.
^ long time no see AA

how have you been
HOw did we DO IT WITHOUT SPACE?



(08-15-2018 06:03 AM)The Anti-Archon Wrote: [ -> ]For anyone who has never read Wagging the Moondoggie by Dave McGowan, do yourself a favor and do so: http://centerforaninformedamerica.com/moondoggie/

Demolishes it IMO, just like everything else Dave McGowan wrote. RIP.

Yes. it's also written in an entertaining way

it's weird. McGowan spoken interviews aren't that great, but his writing is very entertaining
excerpt from wagging the moondoggy

Quote:And yet, despite the fact that it was a relatively benign lie, there is a tremendous reluctance among the American people to let go of the notion that we sent men to the Moon. There are a couple of reasons for that, one of them being that there is a romanticized notion that those were great years – years when one was proud to be an American. And in this day and age, people need that kind of romanticized nostalgia to cling to.

But that is not the main reason that people cling so tenaciously, often even angrily, to what is essentially the adult version of Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy. What primarily motivates them is fear. But it is not the lie itself that scares people; it is what that lie says about the world around us and how it really functions. For if NASA was able to pull off such an outrageous hoax before the entire world, and then keep that lie in place for four decades, what does that say about the control of the information we receive? What does that say about the media, and the scientific community, and the educational community, and all the other institutions we depend on to tell us the truth? What does that say about the very nature of the world we live in?

That is what scares the hell out of people and prevents them from even considering the possibility that they could have been so thoroughly duped. It’s not being lied to about the Moon landings that people have a problem with, it is the realization that comes with that revelation: if they could lie about that, they could lie about anything.

Yep. I've been saying this type of stuff for years.

I had a saying on the OG "WORLDVIEWS WILL BE BROKEN"

"YOU IDIOTS ARE BLIND DEAF AND DUMB"
the avg. person is not dumb.

they are WILLFULLY IGNORANT

admitting the truth will break their worldviews

if a lie this big could be CONCEALED for 50 years.. what else is a lie?

CONTRARY to what dupes think, it isn't conspiracy theorists who seek order in chaos. the avg. dupe seeks it even more

lies this big will cause people to QUESTION EVERYTHING.

their lives would be shattered. they wouldn't even trust their own moms.

it would cause so much cognitive dissonance it would unbelievable





I have no dog in this fight actually. I am only after the truth.

I am trying to be objective as I PUT PRO LANDING arguments down too.
(08-15-2018 06:36 AM)pug-thug Wrote: [ -> ]the avg. person is not dumb.

they are WILLFULLY IGNORANT

admitting the truth will break their worldviews

if a lie this big could be CONCEALED for 50 years.. what else is a lie?

CONTRARY to what dupes think, it isn't conspiracy theorists who seek order in chaos. the avg. dupe seeks it even more

lies this big will cause people to QUESTION EVERYTHING.

their lives would be shattered. they wouldn't even trust their own moms.

it would cause so much cognitive dissonance it would unbelievable





I have no dog in this fight actually. I am only after the truth.

I am trying to be objective as I PUT PRO LANDING arguments down too.

I never questioned the manned Moon landing for 30 years. Then I decided to ask the question in an honest way, and tell myself I would look at the STRONGEST arguments by the 'other side', not the ones they tell you 'those kooky conspiracy theorists' believe.

My parents' generation, you know what they tell them? It has been 49 years since Apollo 11! Wow! If it was fake, don't you think someone would have come forward by now? There were 200k people involved! Big Grin

So I sit there saying "No one has been back for 46+ years (counting from Apollo 17, not Apollo 11)" and the media already has given them a baked and ready response!

Of course the media doesn't tell them about the trail of bodies... Hell, this thread hasn't even gone there yet!

BTW, no one knows who Tom Mankiewicz was (who wrote the screenplay for Diamonds are Forever)?
i think the whole thing stinks to high heaven, but if someone put a gun to my head I would prob say I don't know
(08-15-2018 06:31 AM)pug-thug Wrote: [ -> ]"YOU IDIOTS ARE BLIND DEAF AND DUMB"

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These were NASA's best and brightest.

I thought there was one like this, but haven't found it, so perhaps I have a vivid imagination.

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Of course 'Gus' Grissom was famously outspoken about the Apollo Program's chances. He hung a lemon in the window of the Command Module, not long before the tragic Apollo 1 fire that claimed all three their lives ON THE LAUNCHPAD.

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Gee, I wonder why no whistleblowers went public???
scary, famously he said the whole project was a lemon
F*ck it, I am going to blow this b!tch wide open.

Tom Mankiewicz is the SON of Joseph Mankiewicz. A famous Hollywood director. Joe directed a famous movie you may have heard of... CLEOPATRA.

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He was also from New York City, of a certain subset, and a few years older than Kubrick. Almost 20 years older, so a generational gap. The one was established when the other was getting started. Kubrick was the Next Generation Prodigy.

Well... They are going to remove this from the internet so read it and download it while you can. You will find practically FUCK ALL connecting Kubrick and Joe Mankiewicz. I just checked. But try Google Books, for the biography by Tom Mankiewicz and...

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A Clockwork Orange was filmed between "September 1970 and April 1971"... Uh oh.... Diamonds are Forever: "Filming began on 5 April 1971".

Thats a fuckin' wrap, folks. Stanley talks to Joe. Joe tells Tom what they talked about. He puts it in the script for Diamonds are Forever.
one of my favorite docs on the moon landing... Collier was very humorous





I will admit that I expected some recent revelations to cause more of a stir, but I guess most people have already made up their mind one way or the other, and I am mainly preaching to the choir.

But suffice it to say, I have established a clear connection that the manned Moon landing (specifically the 'manned' part) was already being mocked in the media back in late 1971! And that this wasn't followed by public skepticism for the same reason the Warren Report didn't receive public skepticism. Because it simply wasn't allowed to be published!

Bill Clinton has a famous anecdote in his autobiography I believe, easy enough to find, where he says a plumber or mechanic told him back in the 70s he didn't believe in the Moon landing because he didn't trust "those TV fellers".

So I have established that Diamonds are Forever pokes fun at the Moon landing, and that is was written by a guy, Tom Mankiewicz, with ONE degree of separation from Stanley Kubrick! And that an in-depth conversation is DOCUMENTED to have taken place at the same time as filming started for Diamonds are Forever.

Well...... There are (at least) two major aspects of this revelation left. Why did 'no one' come forward, and who filmed it, and why didn't they confess involvement, assuming they felt guilty, or were deceived in some way (the assumption is that they told the astronauts to fake it this time, then when we go back for real in 5-10 years you will be a part of it at that time also, so the deception was just a short term measure).
So why didn't any one come forward?

Well, it is fairly well known how critical 'Gus' Grissom was of the Apollo Program. He had major clout because of his history as a war veteran from the Korean War, and a member of Mercury, Gemini AND Apollo! This meant, to put it bluntly, he was famous, and could call a major press conference without NASA's involvement (and people would listen to what he had to say).

"on July 21, 1961.... The suborbital Project Mercury flight was launched with a Mercury-Redstone Launch Vehicle, MRLV-8. The spacecraft, Mercury capsule #11, was nicknamed the Liberty Bell 7, and it was piloted by the astronaut Virgil "Gus" Grissom.

The spaceflight lasted 15 minutes 30 seconds, it reached an altitude of more than 102.8 nautical miles (190.4 km), and it flew 262.5 nautical miles (486.2 km) downrange"

That's an interesting date!

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Well, good ole Gus hung a lemon in the window of the Apollo Command Module!

"lemon

A car that you buy that you think is good, but really it sucks like hell and will break right after you buy it."

I mean, this is documented. So any way, he is critical of the Program's development. REAL critical. So do you think if they told this guy to simulate the mission he would go along with it, or would he go public? He was supposed to be part of the first manned mission to the Moon (although I am not 100% sure if he would have walked on the Moon, or stayed in the Command Module).

So NASA administrators ask him and his crew to do a 'plugs out test':

"Plugs-out test

Chaffee, White, and Grissom training in a simulator of their Command Module cabin, January 19, 1967

The launch simulation on January 27, 1967, on pad 34, was a "plugs-out" test to determine whether the spacecraft would operate nominally on (simulated) internal power while detached from all cables and umbilicals. Passing this test was essential to making the February 21 launch date. "

Well, Gus asked one of the NASA administrators to get in the module with them for the test! But they refused! I wonder if he suspected something? Naah!

So they die in a fire. Gus Grissom's son, to this day, says he thinks his dad was murdered.

" "My father’s death was no accident. He was murdered,” Grissom, a commercial pilot, told Star.

Grissom said he recently was granted access to the charred capsule and discovered a "fabricated” metal plate located behind a control panel switch. The switch controlled the capsules’ electrical power source from an outside source to the ship’s batteries. Grissom argues that the placement of the metal plate was an act of sabotage. When one of the astronauts toggled the switch to transfer power to the ship’s batteries, a spark was created that ignited a fireball.

Clark Mac Donald, a McDonnell-Douglas engineer hired by NASA to investigate the fire, offered corroborating evidence. Breaking more than three decades of silence, Mac Donald says he determined that an electrical short caused by the changeover to battery power had sparked the fire.

He says that NASA destroyed his report and interview tapes in an effort to stem public criticism of the space program.

"I have agonized for 31 years about revealing the truth, but I didn’t want to hurt NASA’s image or cause trouble,” Mac Donald told the paper. "But I can’t let one more day go by without the truth being known.”

Grissom’s widow, Betty, now 71, told Star she agrees with her son’s claim that her husband had been murdered. "

Just like with JFK, when you assassinate someone, you don't just keep THAT person quiet. You intimidate a SLEW of others. Basically every astronaut would know "Holy shit, he was critical, and look what happened to him, accident or not."
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