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i see you've been listening to Jay Weidner huh?
(08-14-2018 02:59 AM)pug-thug Wrote: [ -> ]i see you've been listening to Jay Weidner huh?

I don't know if he originated the idea, but he certainly popularized it.

People say "the Moon landing conspiracy was invented in the 90s, it was shown on Fox, and then people fell for the 'Dark Side of the Moon' mockumentary that Kubrick was involved".

Not the case! Bill Kaysing was exposing it long before that, AND not many know there was a MORATORIUM on discussing either the Apollo Program skeptically, or the JFK/RFK/MLK assassinations critically, in ALL US newspapers (a continuation of Operation Mockingbird, no doubt). So it wasn't that people weren't skeptical, it is that they weren't allowed to publish their skepticism! Remind anyone of the Soviet Union at all?

Diamonds are Forever was released December 14, 1971. Filming started April 1971. That is less than 2 years after Apollo 11. Taking into consideration when the screenplay was written, we are talking about major parody and doubt about it, less than 18 months after it occurred.



Diamonds are Forever was actually criticized quite a bit because it was SO over the top campy. Some later Bond movies are considered equally camp, but that was the most campy Bond had been, up to that point.

I would contend that was the only way it was able to reveal some of the truths that it did.

Well, what did Diamonds are Forever revieal?

The main plot line involved diamond smuggling. While diamonds are a cartel that have their price controlled artificially, diamonds are an OBVIOUS analogue for... DRUGS. Drug smuggling.

Why do I say this? Because in the film, the corpses of soldiers are used to transport and smuggle diamonds! This is late 1971, early 1972, America is STILL in Vietnam (although deployment was being reduced steadily by then)! And a little known aspect of the Vietnam War is drug smuggling out of the Golden Triangle. This was the reason for US incursions into the neighboring states, Thailand, Laos, Myanmar. Even less known than that was that the CIA would on occasion smuggle cocaine and heroine in the coffins and even inside the corpse of dead soldiers!

Also revealed in the film is the use of plastic surgery. In this case, to create a lookalike of Ernst Blofeld. This is not that long after the allegations that Paul McCartney was dead and replaced by a lookalike were spreading (September 1969, it was broadcast on college radio apparently).

But... Again less known... Are rumors that Howard Hughes himself had a lookalike or was replaced. This is a complex topic, but considering no one saw Hughes for a few years straight, those are pretty ideal circumstances under which to have a body double replace you, wouldn't you say? Esp. if the body double emerges looking incredibly sickly and unkempt...

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Supposedly Howard Hughes:
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Well hold on, why am I mentioning Howard Hughes all of a sudden, other than because he was previously mentioned extensively in this thread? And his potential Vietnam/drug smuggling connections?

Because... a "notable part of the plot of the movie involves Blofeld's use of the industrial properties of a recluse Nevada multimillionaire by the name of Willard Whyte, the character being a thinly veiled version of Howard Hughes. "

Umm... Yeah. OK. So the movie exposes the manned Moon landing and its use of slow motion. Exposes the use of plastic surgery and body doubles. Smuggling via the corpses of soldiers.

There is also Plenty o'... Plenty O'Toole!
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Howard Hughes Tool Company? Big Grin J/K that is there for some gratuitous cleavage.

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Right before the Moon scene, James Bond asks to see the 'radiation badges', and I quote:

"Klaus Hergersheimer, checking radation badges... Klaus Hergersheimer... checking radiation badges?"

Now who wrote the screenplay for this exactly? Well, the rough outline of it was written by Ian Fleming of course, back in the mid 1950s, but the screenplay itself...
"Written by:Ian Fleming (Novel), Richard Maibaum (Screenplay), Tom Mankiewicz (Screenplay)"

Now Maibaum I don't know much about, but I can guess what subset of white he is. And that "He wrote 13 James Bond/007 films in between 1962-1989." So he was the guy doing dialogue and making sure the story stayed consistent with other Bond films. But Tom Mankiewicz? Who is he?
the dust arcs imo don't behave like they should in 1/6th gravity

should be going up much higher imo

much much higher



(08-14-2018 04:32 AM)Chaos Reigns Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-14-2018 02:59 AM)pug-thug Wrote: [ -> ]i see you've been listening to Jay Weidner huh?

I don't know if he originated the idea, but he certainly popularized it.

People say "the Moon landing conspiracy was invented in the 90s, it was shown on Fox, and then people fell for the 'Dark Side of the Moon' mockumentary that Kubrick was involved".

Not the case! Bill Kaysing was exposing it long before that, AND not many know there was a MORATORIUM on discussing either the Apollo Program skeptically, or the JFK/RFK/MLK assassinations critically, in ALL US newspapers (a continuation of Operation Mockingbird, no doubt). So it wasn't that people weren't skeptical, it is that they weren't allowed to publish their skepticism! Remind anyone of the Soviet Union at all?

Diamonds are Forever was released December 14, 1971. Filming started April 1971. That is less than 2 years after Apollo 11. Taking into consideration when the screenplay was written, we are talking about major parody and doubt about it, less than 18 months after it occurred.




also Ralph Rene

Both kaysing and Rene used some spurious arguments that could be discredited though

that is why I usually don't focus on the technical arguments but rather the circumstantial stuff
for every technical argument made, they can use curve fitting to explain it away

a seemingly technical explanation with tons of jargon that is satisfactory to most dupes

not saying that they are never right, but for example the mechanics of taking off from the lunar module.. it just seems ridiculous

puh-lease.

does anyone believe this shit? Usually when I talk to people this GIF is enough to convince them. I don't think anyone can apologize for this nonsense

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notice how they perfectly timed the robotic camera with a few second radio latency

perfect camera movement.
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who vandalized apollo 16's ascent stage?

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yo is that GENE CERNAN?

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this is actually pretty impressive

more impressive visually than the real moon footage



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