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Quote:The Bacchae (/ˈbækiː/; Greek: Βάκχαι, Bakchai; also known as The Bacchantes /ˈbækənts, bəˈkænts, -ˈkɑːnts/) is an ancient Greek tragedy, written by the Athenian playwright Euripides during his final years in Macedonia, at the court of Archelaus I of Macedon. It premiered posthumously at the Theatre of Dionysus in 405 BC as part of a tetralogy that also included Iphigeneia at Aulis and Alcmaeon in Corinth, and which Euripides' son or nephew are assumed to have directed.[1] It won first prize in the City Dionysia festival competition.

The Bacchae is concerned with two opposite sides of human nature: the rational and civilized side, which is represented by the character of Pentheus, the king of Thebes, and the instinctive side, which is represented by Dionysus. This side is sensual without analysis, it feels a connection between man and beast, and it is a potential source of divinity and spiritual power.[2] In Euripides’ plays the gods represent various human qualities, allowing the audience to grapple with considerations of the human condition. The Bacchae seems to be saying that it is perilous to deny or ignore the human desire for Dionysian experience; those who are open to the experience will find spiritual power, and those who suppress or repress the desire in themselves or others will transform it into a destructive force.[3]

The tragedy is based on the Greek myth of King Pentheus of Thebes and his mother Agave, and their punishment by the god Dionysus (who is Pentheus' cousin). The god Dionysus appears at the beginning of the play and proclaims that he has arrived in Thebes to avenge the slander, which has been repeated by his aunts, that he is not the son of Zeus. In response, he intends to introduce Dionysian rites into the city, and he intends to demonstrate to the king, Pentheus, and to Thebes that he was indeed born a god.[4] However, as the play proceeds Dionysus encounters what he considers newly occurring reasons to be angry, and in his capriciousness, the audience watches his revenge grow out of proportion. By the end of the play, there is the horrible and gruesome death of the king and the wrecking of the city of Thebes by the destruction of its ruling party and by the exiling of its entire population. Dionysus will further cause the plundering of a number of other cities.[5][6]

In The Bacchae there are two completely different versions of Dionysus. First there is the god as he is described by the chorus, which is the god of wine and uninhibited joy and instinct. However, Dionysus also appears as a character on the stage, has come for revenge, and is never like this. He is instead deliberate, plotting, angry and vengeful.[7]

The Bacchae is considered to be not only Euripides' greatest tragedy, but one of the greatest ever written, modern or ancient.[8] The Bacchae is distinctive for the facts that the chorus is integrated into the plot and the god is not a distant presence, but a character in the play, indeed, the protagonist.[9]
when dionysian energy is focused onto the arts and music society flourishes. when it is channeled into "sexual liberation," war and debauchery society regresses.
Your precious rap music is nothing but Dionysian impulses.
(03-09-2018 06:24 PM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote: [ -> ]when dionysian energy is focused onto the arts and music society flourishes. when it is channeled into "sexual liberation," war and debauchery society regresses.

nice find
Quote:The Bacchae seems to be saying that it is perilous to deny or ignore the human desire for Dionysian experience; those who are open to the experience will find spiritual power, and those who suppress or repress the desire in themselves or others will transform it into a destructive force.

this is a key point. You cannot deny the Dionysian energy. it is part of life and if directed the right way it is the lifeblood of the arts and culture. If you direct this energy the wrong way you get reckless war, reckless sexual liberation and social disarray.

this is also why a lot of music tends towards the sensual or sexual.. because people channel their Dionysian energy into something constructive

both sides need to be in balance, but the Apollonian side needs to maintain prudent rationality to keep the Dionysian side in check
(03-09-2018 07:01 PM)Ghost of Hellfire Awaits Wrote: [ -> ]Your precious rap music is nothing but Dionysian impulses.

there's nothing wrong with that. it's only wrong when you confuse these fantasies with real life.

hip hop has taken over Korea, but are koreans gangbanging and thugging it out due to the music they listen to? nope.

Know the diff. between fantasy and reality. Conservative music does not work in a popular context for the most part.
Quote:this is a key point. You cannot deny the Dionysian energy. it is part of life and if directed the right way it is the lifeblood of the arts and culture. If you direct this energy the wrong way you get reckless war, reckless sexual liberation and social disarray.

You could translate this also to a propagating the 7 sins or 7 virtues in a society

Sin
Lust (excessive sexual appetites)
Gluttony (over-indulgence)
Greed (avarice)
Sloth (laziness/idleness)
Wrath (anger)
Envy (jealousy)
Pride (vanity)

Virtue

Chastity (purity)
Temperance (self-restraint)
Charity (giving)
Diligence (zeal/integrity/Labor)
Forgiveness (composure)
Kindness (admiration)
Humility (humbleness)

If you look into todays society and let's say post ww2. The change that has happened is the eradication of honoust norms and values. True tv, news, politics and all kind of school systems all kinds of sins has been promoted in diffrent ways the last decades. I am no religious person but i am familiar with christianity and one of the important lessons it teached me whas based on the 7 virtues.

Nowadays society celebrates pride without achievement, spinning lies instead of thruth, lust true tv and popculture, wrath true dividing populations etc. etc.

It was always a battle between the good and the bad. God and Satan. Virtues and sins.. It's about influence and control. In these times we are tought true various ways that caracteristics which resemble the 7 sins works best..

"it;s always the good that suffer the most in this world" get it?



(03-09-2018 10:00 PM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote: [ -> ]
Quote:The Bacchae seems to be saying that it is perilous to deny or ignore the human desire for Dionysian experience; those who are open to the experience will find spiritual power, and those who suppress or repress the desire in themselves or others will transform it into a destructive force.

this is a key point. You cannot deny the Dionysian energy. it is part of life and if directed the right way it is the lifeblood of the arts and culture. If you direct this energy the wrong way you get reckless war, reckless sexual liberation and social disarray.

this is also why a lot of music tends towards the sensual or sexual.. because people channel their Dionysian energy into something constructive

both sides need to be in balance, but the Apollonian side needs to maintain prudent rationality to keep the Dionysian side in check
(03-09-2018 10:15 PM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-09-2018 07:01 PM)Ghost of Hellfire Awaits Wrote: [ -> ]Your precious rap music is nothing but Dionysian impulses.

there's nothing wrong with that. it's only wrong when you confuse these fantasies with real life.

hip hop has taken over Korea, but are koreans gangbanging and thugging it out due to the music they listen to? nope.

Know the diff. between fantasy and reality. Conservative music does not work in a popular context for the most part.

Thank you for proving my point EY. morally speaking, Koreans have fallen deep in the gutter on every single level. Suicide, crass materialism, elderly abandonment, abortion, etc.

Oh and they're littering more often, too, which is retarded. I'm sick of seeing little piles of debris everywhere.

Also, you know even the homicide rate is up since the 90s?
And the Japanese are straight up sexual zombies. The men aren't having sex because they're fapping it 24/7 to 2D waifus (some of whom aren't even depicted as human). Don't pretend that it isn't true, cuz it is.

Japan, another nation that embraced modern western "cultcha" full on, with disastrous consequences.
Quote:Sin Virtue
Lust (excessive sexual appetites) Chastity (purity)
Gluttony (over-indulgence) Temperance (self-restraint)
Greed (avarice) Charity (giving)
Sloth (laziness/idleness) Diligence (zeal/integrity/Labor)
Wrath (anger) Forgiveness (composure)
Envy (jealousy) Kindness (admiration)
Pride (vanity) Humility (humbleness)

yeah the issue is that PEOPLE HAVE ALWAYS VEERED TOWARDS SIN.. the diff. is before people had a STANDARD OF GOODNESS to aspire to.. even if they failed. in our NWO culture they revel in Vice. in fact one of the most popular young TV channels is called "VICE"
(03-09-2018 10:15 PM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-09-2018 07:01 PM)Ghost of Hellfire Awaits Wrote: [ -> ]Your precious rap music is nothing but Dionysian impulses.

there's nothing wrong with that. it's only wrong when you confuse these fantasies with real life.

hip hop has taken over Korea, but are koreans gangbanging and thugging it out due to the music they listen to? nope.

Know the diff. between fantasy and reality. Conservative music does not work in a popular context for the most part.

I agree partially. (rap) Music is also a tool which can be used for indoctrination. Seeing asian boybands, rappers etc. in the same likes of the american popculture makes me a bit worried about where the Asian society is going.

THe people behind this popculture, hollywood culture etc. are using music, movies and entertainment as for brainwashin a generation. The asian market is next to gain control over by the elites. Power is in the masses, create dividing like in the USA and Europe, no people, no masses, no power for the local rulers.. they will come with lots of money and over-indulgence to gain more and more control. The asian communitiy will go down in the same matter

Mark my words
Quote: in fact one of the most popular young TV channels is called "VICE"

So you get it now.. this is what's happening, this is why people are becoming powerless and zombified. THere is nothing more to hold on to..

You should watch "the book of eli" i named it in the cinema topic. This is about a dystopian society and the power of the book (words) and how they can bring a societry back on track. Very interesting movie in the context which we are talking about now.


(03-09-2018 10:28 PM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote: [ -> ]
Quote:Sin Virtue
Lust (excessive sexual appetites) Chastity (purity)
Gluttony (over-indulgence) Temperance (self-restraint)
Greed (avarice) Charity (giving)
Sloth (laziness/idleness) Diligence (zeal/integrity/Labor)
Wrath (anger) Forgiveness (composure)
Envy (jealousy) Kindness (admiration)
Pride (vanity) Humility (humbleness)

yeah the issue is that PEOPLE HAVE ALWAYS VEERED TOWARDS SIN.. the diff. is before people had a STANDARD OF GOODNESS to aspire to.. even if they failed. in our NWO culture they revel in Vice. in fact one of the most popular young TV channels is called "VICE"
(03-09-2018 10:21 PM)Ghost of Hellfire Awaits Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-09-2018 10:15 PM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-09-2018 07:01 PM)Ghost of Hellfire Awaits Wrote: [ -> ]Your precious rap music is nothing but Dionysian impulses.

there's nothing wrong with that. it's only wrong when you confuse these fantasies with real life.

hip hop has taken over Korea, but are koreans gangbanging and thugging it out due to the music they listen to? nope.

Know the diff. between fantasy and reality. Conservative music does not work in a popular context for the most part.

Thank you for proving my point EY. morally speaking, Koreans have fallen deep in the gutter on every single level. Suicide, crass materialism, elderly abandonment, abortion, etc.

Oh and they're littering more often, too, which is retarded. I'm sick of seeing little piles of debris everywhere.

Also, you know even the homicide rate is up since the 90s?

nice try but no. ever wonder why there are 10s of thousands if not 100s of thousands of korean adoptees in the west? that didn't happen in the last 10-15 years, that happened like 30-40 years ago.

regarding littering, I think it has gotten better in recent years. when I first started going to korea regularly in the late 2000's there was garbage everywhere. now it's a lot better. Also korean people are WELL MANNERED in general compared to Chinese people. they are also quite friendly.
(03-09-2018 10:26 PM)Ghost of Hellfire Awaits Wrote: [ -> ]And the Japanese are straight up sexual zombies. The men aren't having sex because they're fapping it 24/7 to 2D waifus (some of whom aren't even depicted as human). Don't pretend that it isn't true, cuz it is.

Japan, another nation that embraced modern western "cultcha" full on, with disastrous consequences.

modern western culture is indeed the enemy for much of the world. they spread filth and debauchery and seek to homogenize all cultures worldwide.

Japan thought they could handle it, but they really lost it after Fukushima. the porn also finally caught up to them. but japan is usually several years ahead in terms of social trends.

the US is catching up with japan in terms of low sexual activity rates. Sexual activity rates are at the lowest level in perhaps 100 years at this point.

no one talks about sex anymore. no one cares. guys don't even look at girls that much in the US from what I have seen.

and the METOO movement is prob the final nail in the coffin. I can see sexual activity rates dropping EVEN MORE after this.
(03-09-2018 10:55 PM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-09-2018 10:21 PM)Ghost of Hellfire Awaits Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-09-2018 10:15 PM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-09-2018 07:01 PM)Ghost of Hellfire Awaits Wrote: [ -> ]Your precious rap music is nothing but Dionysian impulses.

there's nothing wrong with that. it's only wrong when you confuse these fantasies with real life.

hip hop has taken over Korea, but are koreans gangbanging and thugging it out due to the music they listen to? nope.

Know the diff. between fantasy and reality. Conservative music does not work in a popular context for the most part.

Thank you for proving my point EY. morally speaking, Koreans have fallen deep in the gutter on every single level. Suicide, crass materialism, elderly abandonment, abortion, etc.

Oh and they're littering more often, too, which is retarded. I'm sick of seeing little piles of debris everywhere.

Also, you know even the homicide rate is up since the 90s?

nice try but no. ever wonder why there are 10s of thousands if not 100s of thousands of korean adoptees in the west? that didn't happen in the last 10-15 years, that happened like 30-40 years ago.

regarding littering, I think it has gotten better in recent years. when I first started going to korea regularly in the late 2000's there was garbage everywhere. now it's a lot better. Also korean people are WELL MANNERED in general compared to Chinese people. they are also quite friendly.

The decline in adoptees is due to several reasons. First, despite being officially illegal, abortions are easier to obtain than ever before. Second, due to the reduction in the poverty rate, there are far fewer kids who are lacking homes. None of this has anything to do with improving morals.

Being better mannered than Chinese is not an accomplishment LMAO, I swear to God the black in Oakland were cleaner and less noisy in public.

Littering got steadily worse starting in the early 2000s and then declined again thereafter. So my point still stands.
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