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MSM is reporting suicide while he was touring.

Apparently, he hung himself, or so we're told. Robin Williams and Michael Hutchence could not be reached for comment.

Burned out.
David carradine
AA is deadlier then the drugs these guys pump into their systems.

what's "AA"?
Alcoholics anonymous
(05-19-2017 09:44 PM)Count Iblis Wrote: [ -> ]AA is deadlier then the drugs these guys pump into their systems.
In what way does AA cause danger?
Isn't it just people admitting they have alcohol problems and talking about their lives in group therapy?
^ it is a danger because they created a sense of learned helplessness. alcoholism and the urge will never go away, you can only stay away from it by attending their cult-like sessions
(05-20-2017 02:48 AM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote: [ -> ]^ it is a danger because they created a sense of learned helplessness. alcoholism and the urge will never go away, you can only stay away from it by attending their cult-like sessions
Why "learned helplessness"?
Some people are very disposed to alcohol addiction, and the therapy sessions could help them deal with not drinking. Then when they get out to 1 year of not drinking and give it up totally, it means that they are able to say NO to the urge and there is no reason for them to go to AA anymore.

Isn't that reasonable?
the environment at AA is also very bad as many felons and criminals are forced to go there in lieu of longer jail time.

it's like letting wolves into the sheep's den.

there is a reason why the govt supports this so much because it probably contributes to the agenda in some way shape or form

AA Comes from a Crazy Religious Cult! A Brief Overview of the Oxford Groups
january 7, 2017 by mikew2801, posted in the oxford groups, uncategorized
Many modern critics, including Charles Bufe and Agent Orange, have suggested that AA is not a friendly self-help organisation, but a cultish religious movement whose main purpose is to transmit a set of disempowering religious dogmas to alcoholics. To help decide this question, we need understand where the core of the AA program, the twelve steps, came from in the first place. The results are not encouraging for AA. The steps in their modern form have their origins in a religious movement known at different points as the “First Century Christian Fellowship”, “Buchmanism” and the “Society for Moral Re-Armament” (MRA). Today the groups are most widely remembered as the “Oxford Groups”. Modern critics have argued, with good reason, that the groups were a religious cult.

The Oxford Groups were founded by the Lutheran Evangelical minister Franklin Buchman who was born in a German-speaking Swiss community in Pennsylvania in the late nineteenth century. In 1916, he was appointed a lecturer at the Hartford Seminary in Connecticut, where he gained a reputation for his reliance on “divine guidance” and emphasis on sexual purity.

Buchman was able to gain the backing of wealthy patrons, and held his first “House Party”, a sort of informal religious retreat, in China in 1918. Buchman used the meetings to convert the participants to his religious ideas. Those who attended his meetings came to be known as “groupers”. Groupers were ostensibly encouraged to remain members of their own churches while attending the groups. Buchman was adept at gaining the backing of wealthy patrons, and the Oxford Groups became a major international organisation, boasting converts from around the world.

The meetings consisted largely in public confession and “sharing”. Groupers would relate their sinful escapades in vivid, humorous narratives in an effort to win over prospective members. This practice will be instantly familiar to modern AA members, who continue to entertain each other with accounts of their outrageous escapades to this day. (This practice is also commonly known as giving drunkalogues.) Another aspect of the groups that will be quickly familiar to any AA member is the endless series of inane, thought-stopping slogans. Some examples from the Oxford Groups are:

“JESUS” = “Just Exactly Suits Us Sinners”,

“I is the middle letter in sin”,

and the charming rhyme “God has a plan for every man!”.

The co-founders of AA, Bill Wilson and Robert Smith, were among the groupers, but the the book Alcoholics Anonymous does not refer explicitly to the Oxford Groups when it relates the story of how they met. Bill Wilson was converted to the groups following a religious experience he is said to have undergone while withdrawing from alcohol after a tremendous binge. Given that Wilson was under the influence of a combination of the powerful hallucinogens henbane and belladonna, as well as the sedative phenobarbital, it is perhaps not so surprising that he “saw God”.

The Oxford Groups and the Founding of AA

As AA tradition tells it, the story of how Bill Wilson met Robert Smith is a heart-warming tale of serendipity which implicates divine intervention for many true believers. Bill, so the story goes, was far away from home and considering drinking after a long period of abstinence. In the midst of temptation, he had a flash of inspiration and was put in touch through a local Reverend with Dr. Robert Smith, or Dr. Bob as he is affectionately known to steppers. What the Big Book omits to make clear is that both Bill Wilson and Doctor Bob were introduced to each other through another Oxford grouper in Akron, Ohio. The member in question was Reverend Walter F. Tunks, who also happened to have been brought into the Oxford Groups by one of Bill’s mentors.

Ideology of the Oxford Groups

It is perhaps unsurprising that modern twelve-step organisations often would not wish to advertise their origins in the Oxford Groups. The groups’ ideology was premised on a very negative picture of humanity and human capacities. Human beings, they believed, are irrevocably conquered by sin, and their only hope for recovery from this unfortunate condition is the miracle of divine intervention. This meant coming under what Frank Buchman termed “God-control“, although many suspect that this really meant under “Frank Buchman control”.

“God control”, so the groups held, meant receiving and obeying “divine guidance”. Group members literally believed that God would issue them with specific life-enhancing instructions when they sat silently in “guidance sessions”, perhaps more aptly named “séances”. God did not speak to all equally, it would seem, and members were supposed to rely especially on guidance that came through Frank Buchman and other group elders. God, they believed, was prepared to offer instructions on very particular practical issues and even to intervene directly in the world to help his worshipers. One Oxford Group member, for instance, accredited his survival of the second world war to divine intervention. (Like Agent Orange, I have yet to heard of a group member putting the concept of divine guidance to the test and relying on it to walk blindfolded across a busy road.)

Group members were expected to surrender completely to this guidance, right down to the last detail. They were also expected to try to realise impossible moral goals. These included the four absolutes: absolute purity, absolute honesty, absolute love and absolute unselfishness, four absolutely meaningless terms if ever there was one. Finally, they were expected to work to “change” others, which, in Oxford Group language meant to convert new members.

Frank Buchman and Nazism

While Buchman tended to believe that his religion was above politics, the Oxford Groups could not help but get involved in some of the key political events of the twentieth century. As Charles Bufe has pointed out, Bushman’s emphasis on individual responsibility for all social ills led to a generally reactionary outlook. This was, of course, a convenient ideology for attracting wealthy backers who might like to enjoy a sense of moral superiority without feeling the need to really tackle social ills.

By the time of the Third Reich, Frank Buchman was attending Nazi party rallies and hobnobbing with Heinrich Himmler and other leading figures of National Socialism. Buchman even went as far as to describe Heinrich Himmler as a “great lad”. Buchman’s enthusiasm is hardly surprising, given the natural similarities between fascist and Buchmanist ideology. Both groups centrally emphasise submission of the individual self to a higher authority, both tended to side with reactionary forces, and both had strongly anti-intellectualist tendencies.

Buchman was so impressed with fascism that he went on record as saying that a “God-controlled fascist dictatorship” could be an ideal solution to world problems. The idea of living in a fascistic theocracy run by Adolf Hitler and Frank Buchman apparently failed to enthuse many people. Probably in part because of the bad press surrounding Buchman at the time, the earliest AA missionaries did not advertise their status as Oxford Group members.

Were the Groups a Cult?

If, by this point, you are beginning to suspect that the Oxford Groups were a cult, then you are not alone. While the Oxford Groups were lauded by their members and backers, modern critics have argued that they were an unambiguously cultish religious movement, and with good reason. The ideology of God control and divine guidance efface the value of human independence, responsibility and selfhood in favour of infantile dependence on a deity who is little more than an all-powerful Father Christmas. Moreover, their emphasis on personal powerlessness, God-control and the necessity of guidance by elders all point to an underlying cult dynamic. In the case of the Oxford groups, they had a charismatic leader in the form of Frank Buchman and his lieutenants in the organisation. One can only assume that being under “God control” meant, in practice, being under the control of these elders. The groups were clearly anti-intellectual and irrational, and they believed that they had the antidote to all world problems in the form of God-control.

Another aspect of the Oxford Groups that has “cult” written all over it is its constant use of confession and guilt and the emphasis on the ideas of sin and sexual purity. It is well known that cults use guilt to manipulate members. The Oxford Groups encouraged their members to practice constant confession and to strive for unrealisable moral goals such as “absolute purity” and “absolute unselfishness”. The emphasis the Oxford Groups placed on confessing sins survives in the twelve steps, although the word “sin” is replaced by the euphemism “defects of character”.

Finally, the bizarre slogans have been pointed to as an example of “thought-terminating clichés”, a concept used by Robert Jay Lifton in his study of Chinese “thought-reform” practices”. As Lifton puts it, in thought terminating clichés”

“The most far-reaching and complex of human problems are compressed into brief, highly reductive, definitive-sounding phrases, easily memorized and easily expressed. These become the start and finish of any ideological analysis.”

Modern AA members might do well to reflect on Lifton’s words next time they are bombarded with slogans at a meeting.

Anyone who is not persuaded that the Oxford Groups were a cult is advised to consult Agent Orange’s study of the Groups on his website.

It seems to me that the full blown AAs are a cult. But it also seems to me that a support group can be helpful if you just use it for 3/4 of a year while you get off the alcohol for half a year. Then after you are off the alcohol, you don't need to go back to the AA meetings. Just try to get the positive stuff and ignore the brainwashing and weirdness.

Like if you are addicted to something, you can talk with other addicts about resisting your urges.
Sorry I wasn't clear. AA refers to auto-erotic asphyxiation.
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