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Premonitions?


Quote:The strange tale of an Oswego man who wrote a book predicting a Titanic-like disaster ... 14 years before it happened

The writer continued “Parapsychologists thought Robertson, who was interested in the occult, experienced a paranormal vision of the Titanic disaster.”
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What amazes DeMass and White even more is another story by Robertson, titled “Beyond the Spectrum” and published in 1914. In it Robertson writes of a sneak attack on the United States Naval fleet in Hawaii by Japanese ships, which leads to a war between Japan and the United States. It speaks of an ultraviolet light used in combat to blind and burn men, which White said some believe to be foretelling the use of the atomic bomb.

The author was found dead March 24, 1915, in an Atlantic City hotel; he was 53. The New York Times obituary says he was found standing, with his head resting against a dresser. It says paraldehyde —a drug used at that time as an anticonvulsant, hypnotic and sedative — was found on the dresser and “it was at first thought that death resulted from an overdose. A physician, however, said heart disease was the cause.”
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2...swego.html
What kind of person dies with their corpse standing up?

Quote:Helen Walton Bishop was pregnant on board Titanic to be saved with her husband. ... An interesting, and tragic, addendum to this story began when Helen, in an effort to buoy the spirits of the people in lifeboat No. 7, related to them a story. While the Bishop?s were honeymooning in Egypt a fortune teller had divined her future. She would survive a shipwreck and an earthquake before an automobile accident would end her life. "We have to be rescued," she said, "for the rest of my prophecy to come true." During a later vacation in California an earthquake jolted the couple, fulfilling the second part of the Egyptian?s prophecy. Finally, on November 15, 1913, the couple was returning to Dowagiac from Kalamazoo, Michigan, in their motor car when it went out of control and struck a tree. Helen suffered a severely fractured skull and was not expected to live. She recovered with a steel plate placed in her skull, but the accident caused a change in her mental condition and their marriage suffered. In January 1916, the couple divorced.

Three months later Helen fell while visiting friends in Danville, Illinois. On March 16, 1916, she died and was buried in Sturgis, Michigan. The article announcing her death was on the front page of the Dowagiac Daily News. Ironically the marriage of Dickinson Bishop to his third wife, Sidney Boyce of Chicago, appeared on the very same page.
https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/ti...ishop.html

Quote:Mrs C. Hughes was 14 years old in 1912. She lived in Stoke-on-Trent, England. On 12th April 1912 she dreamed that she was walking towards Trentham Park in Stoke: "Suddenly, I saw a very large ship a short distance away as if in Trentham Park. I saw figures walking about on it. Then suddenly it lowered at one end and I heard a terrific scream."

She told her Grandmother the dream and went back to sleep. The dream re-occurred. The girls uncle was Fourth Engineer Leonard Hodgkinson and went down with the Titanic.
http://www.titanicandco.com/forewarnings.html

See also:
“Ship sinking; all hands lost.” Titanic Premonitions and Postmonitions
http://hauntedohiobooks.com/news/ship-si...monitions/

Synchronicity?

Quote:The Wreck of the Titan: Or, Futility ... is an 1898 novella written by Morgan Robertson. The story features the fictional ocean liner Titan, which sinks in the North Atlantic after striking an iceberg. The Titan and its sinking have been noted to be very similar to the real-life passenger ship RMS Titanic, which sank fourteen years later.

Like the Titan, the fictional ship sank in April in the North Atlantic, and there were not enough lifeboats for all the passengers. There are also similarities between the size (800 ft (244 m) long for Titan versus 882 ft 9 in (269 m) long for the Titanic[3]), speed (25 knots for Titan, 22.5 knots for Titanic[4]) and life-saving equipment.

Beyond the name, the similarities between the Titanic and the fictional Titan include:[2]

Both were triple screw (propeller)

Described as "unsinkable"
The Titan was the largest craft afloat and the greatest of the works of men (800 feet, displacing 75,000 tons, up from 45,000 in the 1898 edition). The Titanic was 46,000 tons and 882 feet long and was deemed "practically unsinkable" (as quoted in Robertson's book).

Shortage of lifeboats
The Titanic carried only 16 lifeboats, plus 4 Engelhardt folding lifeboats,[5] originally thought to be less than half the number required for her passenger and crew capacity of 3000 (but in reality, exceeded it).
The Titan carried "as few as the law allowed", 24 lifeboats, which could carry less than half of her total complement of 3000.

Struck an iceberg
Moving at 22½ knots,[6] the Titanic struck an iceberg on the starboard side on the night of April 14, 1912, in the North Atlantic, 400 nautical miles (740 km; 460 mi) away from Newfoundland.
Moving at 25 knots, the Titan also struck an iceberg on the starboard side on an April night in the North Atlantic, 400 nautical miles (740 km; 460 mi) from Newfoundland (Terranova).

Sinking
The Titanic sank, and more than half of her 2200 passengers and crew died. Of the Titanic's crew and passengers, 705 survived. 1523 were lost.
The Titan also sank, and more than half of her 2500 passengers also died. In fact, only 13 ultimately survived the disaster.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wreck_...,_Futility

Quote:In Futility, the boat hit an iceberg on the starboard side of the ship on an April night… exactly the same time and trigger that caused the Titanic to
sink.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/1...predicted/

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The similarities between Robertson's work and the Titanic disaster are so astounding that one has to imagine if White Star Line built Titanic to Robertson's specs as a dare.
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Both ships were British-owned steel vessels, both around 800 feet long and sank after hitting an iceberg in the North Atlantic, in April, "around midnight."
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While Robertson decided to be generous and include four lifeboats more on his ship than Titanic, it's an odd point to bring up when you consider that lifeboats had nothing to do with the f------- story. When Titan hit the iceberg (starboard bow, naturally), the ship sank immediately, making the point made about lifeboats inconsequential. Why the f--- mention this?!

http://www.cracked.com/article_18421_6-i...pened.html

Quote:The most well known forewarning concerning a ship "Titan" was in the novel "Futility" written in 1898 by Morgan Robertson. The writer described his ship as "the largest craft afloat and the greatest of the works of men...."
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In July 1975 a large block of ice fell through the roof of the Melkis home in Dunstable, Bedford, England. At the time the family were engrossed in a TV movie about the Titanic. When the ice crashed through the ceiling, they were waiting for the ship to strike the iceberg. [ORIGINAL STORY SOURCE: DAILY MAIL, JULY 8, 1975]

http://www.titanicandco.com/forewarnings.html

Quote:In April 1935, a ship called "Titanian," carrying coal from Newcastle to Canada, almost suffered the same fate as the "Titanic" when it encountered an iceberg in the same area of the North Atlantic. Luckily, crewman William Reeves had a premonition of impending disaster and yelled "Danger Ahead!" to the navigator shortly before the iceberg became visible in the darkness. Strangely Reeves was born on April 5, 1912, the day the "Titanic" sank.
https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/co...yth.26528/

Quote:The White Ghost of Disaster

This short story by Thornton Jenkins Hains (writing under the pen name Mayn Clew Garnett) was published in 1912 just as the Titanic was setting sail. Hains's story is about a ship called the Admiral, an 800-foot ocean liner that strikes an iceberg at a speed of 22.5 knots in the North Atlantic and sinks. A large number of passengers die, as there aren't enough lifeboats to go around. While the story was still appearing on newsstands in the pages of Popular Magazine, the 882-foot Titanic struck an iceberg at exactly the same speed.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/titanic-sin...-1.1289723

Possible Preplanning?

Quote:Recently reported by the Independent...

“Journalist Senan Molony, who has spent more than 30 years researching the sinking of the Titanic, studied photographs taken by the ship’s chief electrical engineers before it left Belfast shipyard.
Mr Maloney said he was able to identify 30-foot-long black marks along the front right-hand side of the hull, just behind where the ship’s lining was pierced by the iceberg.
He said: “We are looking at the exact area where the iceberg stuck, and we appear to have a weakness or damage to the hull in that specific place, before she even left Belfast”.
https://christiantruther.com/end-times/n...sank-fire/

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^Which ship is depicted in the poster above, according to the poster?

Quote:the idea is the owner/owners of the Titanic sunk her on purpose to receive a large sum from an insurance company.
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the theory suggests that the ship which sank was not titanic at all. it was another ship called Olympus which was swapped with titanic.
Olympus was a pretty poor ship which already had a few accidents and so it was nothing more than a wreck....and so the insured money for Olympus was less.
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/215...engineered

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The Olympic was launched a year before the Titanic but seemed to share its more famous sister ship’s poor luck. Within months of its launch in 1911, it had had two serious collisions, the second with Royal Navy cruiser HMS Hawke off the coast of the Isle of Wight causing serious structural damage to the Olympic’s keel and steel beams. Some authors have suggested that the damage to the Olympic was more serious than admitted. In fact, it was virtually a write-off.
The two ships were essentially identical save for minor differences and were moored side by side in dry dock;  the swap would entail nothing more elaborate that swapping a few nameplates and plaques.

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The Titanic and the Olympic moored side by side in Belfast

https://theunredacted.com/titanic-conspi...ever-sank/

Evidence FOR:
Portholes, spacing and number,
listed to port,
rumors were among crew that the two ships were switched,
ship was just over half full when it left Southampton,
last minute cancellations from high profile passengers,
SS Californian had no passengers but carried 3000 wollen blankets and was stopped in the middle of the Atlantic 12 mi from the Titanic.

Quote:The wreck appears to show some evidence of the grey paint used as an undercoat on the Olympic. The Titanic used black paint for its undercoat.

Insurance scams and maritime fraud were common at the time of the Titanic’s sinking

EVIDENCE AGAINST

Olympic’s B deck had a 1st class promenade, whereas Titanic had private verandas and suites. Indeed many passengers were booked into the suites,  an impossibility if the ship was really the Olympic.
https://theunredacted.com/titanic-conspi...never-sank

Quote:The Ship's Run

Then there is The Ship's Run, written in 1908 by detective scribe M. McDonnell Bodkin. The ship in this story is called the Titanic and is described in similar terms as the famous liner would be four years later: Bodkin calls his fictional vessel "the largest and fastest passenger boat afloat."

This similarity is a little too precise and indicates that Bodkin may have read about plans for the real ship's construction when he was researching his book. The ship treads a similar path as the doomed liner of the same name but, mercifully, doesn't hit anything at sea on its voyage.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/titanic-sin...-1.1289723

If this book was released and intentionally discussed the Titanic before its voyage with the knowledge of the detective author, this suggests that fictional stories of the boat were already being released before the boat's voyage, and this fact in turn suggests that the other pre-voyage books about the Titanic, albeit fictionalized, could also have been written deliberately with real knowledge about the Titanic.

Other Info
Quote:Revealed: Titanic was doomed before it set sail
the findings of the new research project, ... suggest that the Titanic broke in half when its stern had reached an angle of just 10 degrees - a scenario that could have occurred in heavy seas during any severe storm, never mind in the aftermath of hitting an iceberg.
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They found that the builders had altered the design and fitted an extra expansion joint, prompting suspicions that the yard was aware of the faults with the Titanic.
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The researchers believe that many, assuming the vessel would stay afloat for hours, remained on board in the warmth. However, the ship sank just two hours and 40 minutes after the collision. Less than two hours later, the Carpathia arrived on the scene and pulled 705 people in lifeboats to safety.
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"It only needed to float for a few more hours before the Carpathia arrived and one more hour could have given the lifeboats time to go back and get more people, as they were half full."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1...-sail.html

White Star Line had an unusual practice of not christening new ships, which created sense of bad luck.
They come right out and say that Robertson was involved in "the occult". Many of the artists who made works that were predictive of the September 11 attacks also were into "the occult". Same with the 1977 New York blackout, the Challenger disaster, etc. It is my belief that these individual artists created certain pieces utilizing imagery that they were directed to include by superiors in their occult pyramid chain of command. This is done to harness the collective subconscious in order to manifest a desired outcome.

Believe what you will, but this is what the occult rituals are aimed at doing and this book by Robertson is just another example.
(03-04-2017 03:19 AM)The Anti-Archon Wrote: [ -> ]They come right out and say that Robertson was involved in "the occult". Many of the artists who made works that were predictive of the September 11 attacks also were into "the occult". Same with the 1977 New York blackout, the Challenger disaster, etc. It is my belief that these individual artists created certain pieces utilizing imagery that they were directed to include by superiors in their occult pyramid chain of command. This is done to harness the collective subconscious in order to manifest a desired outcome.

Believe what you will, but this is what the occult rituals are aimed at doing and this book by Robertson is just another example.
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Do you believe that this phenomenon is for real?

Did the collective subconscious possibly pre-envision Jesus?
(03-04-2017 06:09 AM)Rako Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-04-2017 03:19 AM)The Anti-Archon Wrote: [ -> ]They come right out and say that Robertson was involved in "the occult". Many of the artists who made works that were predictive of the September 11 attacks also were into "the occult". Same with the 1977 New York blackout, the Challenger disaster, etc. It is my belief that these individual artists created certain pieces utilizing imagery that they were directed to include by superiors in their occult pyramid chain of command. This is done to harness the collective subconscious in order to manifest a desired outcome.

Believe what you will, but this is what the occult rituals are aimed at doing and this book by Robertson is just another example.
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Do you believe that this phenomenon is for real?

Did the collective subconscious possibly pre-envision Jesus?

The occult sure do, and the EL-ite are all into the occult. Since they're the ones on top, well, maybe there's something to it. As for Jesus, that was a bit before my time.
I believe it.
I need more info explaining the idea behind "This is done to harness the collective subconscious in order to manifest a desired outcome. "
(03-04-2017 01:29 PM)Rako Wrote: [ -> ]I need more info explaining the idea behind "This is done to harness the collective subconscious in order to manifest a desired outcome. "

Read the occult instructional on it.


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I reckon JP Morgan and the Rothschild's had it sunk to kill off all their major rivals to create the Federal Reserve.
JP Morgan (who had the boats built) and some of his close freinds all cancelled last minute, and all the wealthy and powerful people opposing the creation of the Fed drowned, and the following year the Fed was created and we've been enslaved ever since.

Just like 9/11, insurance wasn't the motive, just a bonus.
(03-04-2017 03:51 PM)Redneck Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-04-2017 01:29 PM)Rako Wrote: [ -> ]I need more info explaining the idea behind "This is done to harness the collective subconscious in order to manifest a desired outcome. "

Read the occult instructional on it.


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Quote:An egregore is a thoughtform, a creation of the human mind.

But unlike tulpas or servitors, an egregore is a manifestation of a group consciousness, which can become powerful enough to take on a life of its own. It becomes driven by the collective (and often unintentional) willpower of large numbers of people.

We’re not simply talking about spooky ghosts and evanescent poltergeists here, though (like Philip Aylesford, a rather popular tulpa experiment).

No, egregores can manifest in the form of nations, corporations, memes, and ideas. Concepts invented by the human mind.

The more these ideas are called upon or repeated or reinforced, the more powerful they grow, and the more likely they will become something beyond mere thought.

Examples of (possible) egregores include:

Corporations – brands, logos
Shared ideas – memes, urban legends, the Internet
Nations – flags, culture, patriotism
Spiritual or other group beliefs
Paranormal entities and experiences – it’s possible that many of the paranormal experiences people have, such as NDEs and alien abductions, may very well be the result of a collective consciousness thoughtform


As you can see, egregores don’t need to be “conjured.” They can manifest over time through sheer awareness and acknowledgement by large groups of people. You need not be consciously aware to participate in the creation of an egregore.



the TITANIC is coming back

the chinese are building it:



(03-04-2017 04:03 PM)Alfredo Wrote: [ -> ]I reckon JP Morgan and the Rothschild's had it sunk to kill off all their major rivals to create the Federal Reserve.
JP Morgan (who had the boats built) and some of his close freinds all cancelled last minute, and all the wealthy and powerful people opposing the creation of the Fed drowned, and the following year the Fed was created and we've been enslaved ever since.

Just like 9/11, insurance wasn't the motive, just a bonus.

Yep, multiple objectives and this was one of them.
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